Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: nagasiva@luckymojo.com (nagasiva yronwode) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,talk.religion.misc,alt.magick.tantra Subject: Sex and Tantra (was Question....) Organization: Sonoma Interconnect,Santa Rosa,CA(us),http://www.sonic.net Lines: 61 Sender: yronwode@sonic.net Message-ID: <8auojs$tbc@bolt.sonic.net> References: Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.4 (NOV) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 02:11:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.224.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 953345466 208.201.224.36 (Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:11:06 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:11:06 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:22107 talk.religion.misc:311440 alt.magick.tantra:14744 50000317 IVom kali Marco: >> I heard about the great enhancements in the sexual life tha Tantra can >> bring in your life.... this is the reputation because of "tantra"'s association with sexuality, but some types of tantra will not provide you with this improvement or sensualistic approach. they may try to drive you away from it, in fact. >> Can anyone explain to me how you learn the Tantra and reach this so >> famous wonderful sexual experiences? what a very good question! typically tantra is learned from an authority, and this usually means one of the traditional yogic sources in Hindu or Buddhist lineages. there are some less traditional sources, such as from neo-tantrics who may have obtained their instruction from a variety of sources themselves. some of these may not be offering complete instruction yet identify it as such. some of these traditional sources may even be nonphysical, as when one offers devotion to the Guru in the form of some previously-alive human like Sri Ramana Maharshi, Babaji, Paramhamsa Yogananda, or Osho. another authority from whom to learn tantra is a nonhuman entity. gods and goddesses can be good sources, but also one might find instruction from a dakini, naga, dragon, or wisdom-guardian from the realm beyond the physical. this instruction is liable to be less traditional on account of its more recent derivation, yet it may be more favourably applied in the context of your life (i.e. it is distinctly designed for you). "Luis Castillo" : > With all respect, if you are looking for wonderful sexual experiencies, > then there is not need of Tantrism. this is true, sexual experiences are not the entirety of tantra as I understand it in my Satantra, but for those who want to understand sexuality DURING a spiritual adventure, the tantric path can yield this exciting benefit! > White Tntrism is the intelligent combination of sexual yearning and > spiritual enthusiasm that lead to the awakening of Consciousness. so anything called "White Tantrism" should lead to this? is it your understanding that ONLY White Tantra leads to this? is there a "Black Tantra"? if so, what is that like? why would anyone walk such a path as that? > Sexual Magic dmand us to renounce bestial concupiscence for the sake > of attaining Initiation. what form does this "renunciation" take? abstention? of WHOSE sexual magic are you speaking, precisely? what kind of "Initiation" are you referring to? what does that mean to you? namaste nagasiva -- mailto:nagasiva@luckymojo.com ; http://www.luckymojo.com/nagasiva.html mailto:boboroshi@satanservice.org ; http://www.satanservice.org/ emailed replies may be posted; cc replies if response desired