From maillist@halmarax.demon.co.uk Sat Jul 27 22:19:06 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA14624 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 22:19:06 -0700 Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA23483 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 22:18:36 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ac02086; 28 Jul 96 5:18 GMT Received: from halmarax.demon.co.uk ([158.152.41.152]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad05891; 28 Jul 96 6:15 +0100 From: boboroshi Sender: MicA@halmarax.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 19:04:00 +0100 Subject: Creating the Death Rite (was Hypnotists and Holy Persons or something) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list TWC-L Reply-To: twc-l@halmarax.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19960727.190400.65@halmarax.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:40:23 -0700 (PDT) X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: maillist@halmarax.demon.co.uk X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.55f Status: RO kaliyuga 49960727 AA1 new to this list. me-nutshell: tantric monk, satanic outreach director for the Church of Euthanasia # From: Anexia # Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 06:03:49 +0100 #># To get enough signatures, one needs to petition in the right places. #># Campuses of liberal colleges and universities are a good place to start. #># Rock concerts are another good place to get signatures. I don't know #># much else about it. I've never actually done it. I know getting the #># signitures and getting it voted for are lightyears apart. internet usenet groups: alt.drugs.psychedelics, rec.drugs.psychedelic alt.consciousness, talk.euthanasia, alt.suicide.holiday #> Seems like a rational approach and a lot of fun. I hope the TWC #> subscribers who spend time on a college or university campus and #> go to Rock cncerts, will soon be inspired enough to act on this #> suggestion. anonymity of the internet is the first best safety defense. #> Sorry I went a bit showbiz there but I think your subtle #> modifications to this idea could help to make it work. #> Anyone out there willing to take part in a trial run? # I've done psilocybin + sitar music + candles and lava lamp before. # Very nice and peaceful (for me at least) :) as regards psychedelics, see Leary, others, for the basics set (attitude toward experience) - conditioning toward positive exit setting (environment of experience) - surrounding with a conducive atmosphere dosage/chem - psychoactives of peace and harmony like XTC or psilocybin would likely be best, administered with a lethal injection of something which does NOT disrupt consciousness but brings on death-sleep. alternatively warm bath and blooding in a ritual sacrifice. there are psychedelic reference files ("FAQs") as well as death-related and suicide-related files too ("alt.suicide.holiday FAQ"). rtfm.mit.edu has many of these. #> I once went to a hypnotist for help in quitting smoking. It was #> at least a partial success, so I have some faith in these things. #> I think there is a lot of potential here for consciousness #> enhancement. Perhaps a TWC group could be hypnotised en masse #> into the state of Nirvhana. # I wonder if we can do it over the net in-person is likely necessary. #># A hypnotist and a holy-person would make a great team as the leaders on #># a psychological/psychedelic journey into a place where death is not #># frightening...where on is prepared and open to move on. there are books concerning death which integrate positive paradigms: Buddhist, Shamanic, Neopagan. check them out from the library, utilize their cosmologies as send-off techniks, publicize the results here and in alt.magick.tyagi and alt.magick.tantra. I will eventually write a 'descent into the underworld visualization' which will incorporate the kind of nightmarish images from the film 'Ghost' at the beginning (shadows coming to take me away) yet which lead into the old underworld of Hades and the shades taking the reader down to become the Lord of the Underworld (the office is successively occupied and a powerful earthy wonderland, free and secure). have mages and visionaries to create such rite-text and visualizations for the endpoint. alternatively check out such things as the Books of the Dead from Egypt, Tibet, neuvo-Wicca, etc. #> Sounds great. Count me in. Does anyone know the addresses of any #> sympathetic hypnotists and holy-persons? I wouldn't hesitate in #> joining one of these sessions. # ...I wonder how one could find such people without having to dangerously # advertise. Most shamen don't object to hallucinogens, but flying them up # from the Amazon and getting them to work with a modern hypnotist might be # difficult. Plus, we don't want to exploit any natives. Any suggestions? don't be too sure. there is a serious degredation as regards the notion of death in all parts of the world. some 'shamans' will not wish to be part of this. I suggest instead using internet (usenet and IRC especially) to contact those within the Neopagan and alternative religious communities to work on such a project, at first constructing positive attitudes/views/ visions of the death experience from a variety of perspectives, then beginning to integrate the subtle neuro-inhibitors and psychedelic experience to infuse it with power. some will never need those chemical-allies. #># I imagine the patient, with friends and family, reclining #># comfortably in a soothing environment. In a mindset that predisposes one #># to view the universe as a wonderful unity, the patient's subconscious #># could be lead by the hypnotist (supervised by the holy-person) into #># acceptance via guided imagery. #> #> I don't want to wait until I'm ill to do this. # # I think everybody should do it. I want to try it also. We should # definitely experience beforehand what we plan to put the patient through. # It's only fair (and fun). alt.magick.tantra also. ego-immersion is a prime element in magical and tantric practices across many cultures (there are many tantrics, from the Buddhists to Hindus to Western occultists). psychedelics and hypnosis are often utilized within these systems, though they are not often discussed at great volume or exposure to public scrutiny. I also recommend making SEX (particularly intensified and prolonged orgasm) a part of the final rites, but I'm a peculiar one, opting not only for consensual human sacrifices but also consensual necrophilic frenzies. comments/queries welcome in this elist. tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com boboroshi