Path: shell.portal.com!shell.portal.com!not-for-mail From: ! Newsgroups: alt.zen,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.philosophy.zen,talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: Zen monk needs help Date: 17 Nov 1995 12:19:21 -0800 Organization: Portal Communications (shell) Lines: 88 Sender: tyagi@shell.portal.com Message-ID: <48iqo9$22p@jobe.shell.portal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Xref: shell.portal.com alt.zen:18389 alt.magick.tyagi:4852 alt.philosophy.zen:4556 talk.religion.misc:187327 |...a Soto Zen monk/priest living in the UK. your station is such that perhaps only your Master could guide you best |I often teach people the basics of zazen and zen practice (I am after all |just a priest, not a master or a teacher), and often I find myself talking |about 'the dark night of the soul'. The thing is that I've finally had to |admit that I'm going through some sort of dark night of the soul. |In fact I have been for years. the 'Dark Night of the Soul' is a Christian Contemplative experience which has taken on popular meaning as a kind of psychospiritual malady. surely there are similar despairing sutras within the Japanese and/or Chinese cultures that could be used for inspiration during this trial I recommend a book called _Zen Inklings: Some Stories, Fables, Parables, Sermons, and Prints, with Notes and Commentaries_, and in particular a story to be found within it called 'The Swordsman', which concerns a Kendo Master and his path through several uncertain times. there is much to be gained by a study of Existentialism in regards the emotions of despair and their relationship to the esoteric sciences. and if you need a laugh to shake off some dark mood, have a gander at Smullyan or Zippy the Pinhead on the whole I suspect that such traumatic experiences are the equivalent of Mara's temptations and part of the journey unto awakening. our best approach to these may be to engage them fully, learn what they have to teach us, and, at the last, release them with all other emotional and intellectual elements my Abyss suggests the following works by a Zen Buddhst local to us: _The Depression Book: Depression as an Opportunity for Spiritual Practice_ By Cheri Huber, 1991, published by A Center for the Practice of Zen Buddhist Meditation. _Regardless of what you were taught to Believe, There is Nothing Wrong with You_, by Cheri Huber, 1993, published by Keep it Simple Books. my understanding is that there was an association between this center and an local Zen Buddhist temple (Kannon Do, in Mountain View). since then the publishing of Ms. Huber's books has been handled by an organization called Compassionworks, which can be reached via phone at: 800/337-3040. Kannon Do can be reached at P.O. Box 91, Mountain View, CA, 94042. I've visited there a few times and enjoyed the grounds and the sitting folks whom I met. we once hosted a delegate-monk to the Haus here, and he seemed very cordial and clear in his expressions |..while I still have faith in zazen - I don't feel worthy of it. I wouldn't recommend engaging instruction of others at this point, but that is your decision. sometimes a firm egotistical streak keeps the discipline going where a feeling of unworthiness can lead to slacking |I have no faith in my teacher, or my immediate sangha this is what inspires me to suggest a continued counselling with your Master, or at least some movement on your part if you feel overwhelmed by these despairing currents. it can be difficult to engage those kinds of feelings, and at times we need to get assistance from others to work through them |and quite frankly I'm seriously contemplating suicide. I'm sorry for your pain, and I may know something of it. having been at least driven to seriously contemplate and approach an attempt at suicide, I can testify to its rationality in the face of deep personal pain. know that others have felt similarly and that many of us have found ways to bear and benefit from having been through that pain |Life just seems so empty and I just feel totally worthless. I can't seem |to stop myself from being self destructive and negative. you may be self-destructive and negative for some time to come. that is part of who you are, as you describe it. can we see when these kinds of feelings and thoughts come into our minds, as a result of what stimulus, etc.? watching it rise and fade in context can be a very beneficial practice, I have found, even when I felt overcome by the issues themselves |I know the answers in my head but they just don't seem to get beyond that. of what answers do you speak? are intellectual things the solutions to all our kung-ans? when will the Buddha set us upon a contermplation- target the likes of which we have heretofor never grappled? |Can anyone help me with this, however foolish it may seem? folly is the Buddha's sweet tear-drop. dance in the streets but wake, wake!