Path: Supernews!kudonet.com!not-for-mail From: I@no.self (!) Newsgroups: alt.zen,alt.philosophy.zen,talk.religion.buddhism,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.religion.buddhism Subject: Re: Desire and Buddhism (was Re: Another simple question) Date: 12 Jun 1997 16:44:24 -0700 Organization: KudoNet On-Line Services Lines: 26 Sender: tyagi@bjt.net Message-ID: <5nq1ko$4iv@kudo20.kudonet.com> References: <3396EAC4.5473@mindspring.com> <5n7086$eel@news5-gui.server.cableol.net> <5n7clr$ooq$2@node2.frontiernet.net> <5nn5bd$j9e@kudo20.kudonet.com> <339FFE0F.2755@worldnet.att.net> <5npcet$cb2$1@brokaw.wa.com> Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (!) NNTP-Posting-Host: kudo20.kudonet.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: Supernews alt.zen:63329 alt.philosophy.zen:14634 talk.religion.buddhism:36641 alt.magick.tyagi:12785 alt.religion.buddhism:861 wis@~halcyon.com (Bill): >Before one can be rid of desire, one must know what it is. knowledge is not necessary in the development of mindfulness >Why not look closely at desire and understand it intimately >rather than desiring non-desire? desiring non-desire is surely a knot-tying. looking closely is surely the best practice. understanding is perhaps a bonus prize >(If you discover the essense of desire, please let me know if > you've found it. I would be surprised.) motivation is the co-arising of incentive by virtue of being part of a whole. 'desire' is the localized identification of that motivation within the sphere of perception; feeling the incentive which arises as a natural consequence of interdependent origination therefore, to look for any sort of 'essence' of desire is to look for shadows in a pitch black room. the center of its source is everywhere, the substance of its manifestion is a fluxuation of the skandhas -- (emailed replies may be posted) ------- join the AMT syncretism!!! see http://www.abyss.com/tokus ---------- call: 408/2-666-SLUG!! ------- zombie children have invaded Philadelphia, film at 11 ---------- Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.philosophy.zen,alt.zen,alt.religion.buddhism,talk.religion.buddhism,alt.buddha.short.fat.guy Subject: Desiring Desirelessness References: <3E113A67.704B85C8@verizon.net> From: i@no.self (!) Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 17 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:31:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1041366688 208.201.242.18 (Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:31:28 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:31:28 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:35561 alt.philosophy.zen:109314 alt.zen:332753 talk.religion.buddhism:249678 alt.buddha.short.fat.guy:228087 Robert Epstein : | In the meantime to desire desirelessness is more of an obstacle | than desire itself, isomentrics? | since it would amount to a kind of impossible perfectionism. to attempt impossibilities is fruitless? | Desires I think are there to be acknowledged, part of their design? | rather than eradicated, which is impossible. satiated?