To: alt.zen,alt.magick.tyagi Subject: Enlightenment and the Buddha From: i@no.self (!) |> Can anything lead to enlightenment? no, enlightenment happens. it is not something which is siezed like grasping upon some treasure or climbing to the top of a golden throne |> what is enlightenment? we cannot know until we experience it. the sages speak as they are able. the mystics spew poetry but descriptions never yield duplication |> is there any reality behind this abstraction? the division is completely empty |Why ask this question? we ask this question because it is important to know what a goal is toward which one moves. if we think we have outgrown our need to look at our feet when we walk, then we shall soon be stumbling |...why not read the rest of the [Buddha's] words? the Buddha's words do not exist on paper to be read. they are spoken as from a golden mouth unto the ear of our hearts and cannot be heard except by that ear to which they are spoken. this is the ancient Transmission, the pure conveyance of awakening |...why not trust the rest of the words spoken on this subject |(the 360 sermons Buddha, for example, spoke during his lifetime)? there are no sermons. there is no Buddha. trust in nothing. doubt all things. look to the stillpoint of your experience things written are lawyer's tools. better to go home and talk to mom ================================================== To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.philosophy.zen,alt.zen Subject: Re: love and enlightenment. From: i@no.self (!) | Have you experienced enlightenment? album? video? t-shirt? they said you could get the whole collection. is it still true? Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.philosophy.zen,alt.zen,alt.religion.buddhism,talk.religion.buddhism Subject: Self-Enlightenment? References: <5X6K9.14305$PF2.1148845@news20.bellglobal.com> <3DF9F5CD.B8E9F28E@verizon.net> <3DFD495C.1A81963F@verizon.net> From: i@no.self (!) Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 13 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 04:44:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1040618658 208.201.242.18 (Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:44:18 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:44:18 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.philosophy.zen:108976 alt.zen:331692 talk.religion.buddhism:248654 uncited: | I'm wondering what it is in someone that enlightens themselves? releasing that someone | And what is the self that is thus enlightened? permeable and intermittently composed "Robert Epstein" : |# What the hell is enligtenment, anyway? extinction of craving and its results