Path: shell.portal.com!shell.portal.com!not-for-mail From: ! Newsgroups: alt.zen,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.polyamory,alt.magick.tantra,alt.consciousness,alt.religion.buddhism,talk.religion.buddhism,alt.philosophy.zen Subject: Zen Love Date: 27 Jan 1996 20:43:01 -0800 Organization: Portal Communications (shell) Lines: 59 Sender: tyagi@shell.portal.com Message-ID: <4eeusl$bj9@jobe.shell.portal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Xref: shell.portal.com alt.zen:22595 alt.magick.tyagi:6470 alt.polyamory:37989 alt.magick.tantra:639 alt.consciousness:23528 alt.religion.buddhism:181 talk.religion.buddhism:15788 alt.philosophy.zen:5870 |...directed towards those who have attained satori not sure, depending on what you mean by 'satori' here. many meanings possible |(please state your sect, out of interest): buddhism is nonsectarian. that Buddhism is so indicates it corruption |...What is love (of the sort between a man and a woman) to one who |has attained satori? there is a range of possibility. normal intimacies are codependent, attached |...how can ...a person [who has transcended the world of distinctions, |...shrugged off all worldly desires and cut themselves free of the |passions] love another? freely and without attachments |The nature of such love is that a person must *desire* another person, |that they must *need* that particular person more than they need |any other person in the world. this is false in extremity. love varies across human experience you are most probably thinking of lust |...not possible for a buddha to love someone in this way, ONLY possible for a buddha to love without attachments, yes buddhas come and go, even during your experience |since a buddha's love is equal for all other beings and buddhas. only due to buddha-nature. in a karmic process the love cannot be said to be 'equal for all other beings/buddhas'. this is a false idol |It would not be fair for a buddha to have a relationship with another |person when they cannot possibly have the "correct" feelings for that |person. Comments? false. there are no 'correct feelings'. those which an ordinary person experiences are attachment-based. the buddha is purely compassionate, loving unconditionally. a relationship with such a being would be very transformative and challenging, and if pursued diligently, would lead to awakening |...if the whole of humanity attains buddhahood at once meaningless and impossible, logically. the concepts of 'whole of humanity' and 'attaining buddhahood' are overly vague to be useful except in the shallower teachings. where love is concerned, awakening happens at every instant, in response to sincere receptivity |...would [this] mean the end of marital-type relationships? as far as contracts, yes, since they would not be necessary. but intimacy would blossom and multiple 'marriages' in terms of dedicated and mutually reinforcing, though nonattached, loving relationships would be more often seen as commonplace