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Ned:
>>       "A living man sits and does not lie down (all the time),
>>        While a dead man lies down and does not sit.
>>        On this physical body of ours
>>        Why should we impose the task of sitting?"
>>
>>                         - Hui Neng, 6th Chinese Ch'an Patriarch

dediu@webbnet.com (Michael):
>> Pray tell us what is dhyana 

fervent prayer

>> and what is a profitable practice if you think you understand
>> the meaning of Hui Neng.

sitting can be a profitable practice.  do not impose it as a task

nedludd@ix.netcom.com ( Ned Ludd ):
>  Dhyana is not resting on a single thing, not ignoring a single thing;
>  it is knowing what you are doing, and not knowing you are doing it.
>  It is the state of your mind operating on its own without any 
>  interference from you.

>  A profitable practice is one in which the benefits exceed the costs.

a marble touches the marble