Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.philosophy.zen,alt.zen Subject: Self, Self-Image, and Moth-models References: <9iS9b.164449$la.3440209@news1.calgary.shaw.ca> From: i@no.self (!) Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 39 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:44:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1064871891 208.201.242.18 (Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:44:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:44:51 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:41601 alt.philosophy.zen:130540 alt.zen:365244 aguss: | ...when am I not me? Is Zen suggesting that I am not me when | I am imagining something else [than] what is immediately | available to my senses? Why is that so? When lying in bed | with my eyes closed and I am thinking of a past memory, | is Zen suggesting I am not me? reflections are not actualities. 'I' is such reflection; 'me' is abstracted from observation but inherent to experience; sensation incorporates but does not clearly reflect mechanism of sensation | ...Why should I be like the frog? Why should I be like the | bee? Let us say this: When hungry they eat, when [tired] | they sleep. Let us say that they do not divide the world | mentally. Let us say they treat everything as one. Is | this good? such experience is smoother, involves less dissonance, and generally incorporates less anxiety, dissatisfaction, or off-centered attitude | The bee [moth?] goes into the flame thinking it is | something good, and it dies. The terms "good" and "bad" | may be semantically as fleeting as they are, and yet if | language is possible at all, few should disagree with | defining something as bad if when repeated in time-space | it would reduce the length or quality of a species.... moths act according to oldtime light-orientation, pre-existing human construction in either flame or incandescence in lunar reflection; moth behaviour is therefore perfect within its context but disruptive to their integrity by virtue of human technology moth-model is applicable to experiential dissonance where trajectory into flame is disrupted by bulb glass, evident frustration displayed by greater vibration wing-flutter intensity