Path: ultra.sonic.net!news From: yo@no.I (!) Newsgroups: alt.zen,alt.philosophy.zen,alt.magick.tyagi Subject: MND N BUDDHSM (was What s ...) Date: 15 Oct 1999 01:39:17 -0700 Organization: Sonoma Interconnect,Santa Rosa,CA(us),http://www.sonic.net Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7u6p7l$4oq@bolt.sonic.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bolt.sonic.net X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Xref: ultra.sonic.net alt.zen:147099 alt.philosophy.zen:26675 alt.magick.tyagi:18460 "John Greene" : | And what about this "there is no I" fetish? no real self real endlessly; anatman; no own self we are body lozenges of temporary conscousness | What makes one thing more real than another? Buddhsm prefers endurance and truth for the real; real always real; unreal changes; catch you asleep! even gods embrace death; no 'God' saves you wakefulness comprehends acceptance, enjoyment, self-awareness and resoluteness; no real subjects, no real objects; awareness reputed to perservere | Is the comic-book story less real than the pages it's | printed upon? Is a thing less real than the thing it's | derived from? Is a thing unreal if it only exists in | relation to another thing? Is one perspective more | real than another? Is the idea of "I" less real than | the idea of "no I" ? Is a working definition not quite | good enough? If a pattern is simply "local", as opposed | to "global", does that mean it should be ignored as | "unreal"? What's real anyway? Is any habit a good habit? | I fondle my testicles in derision!) dependency portrays less realness; composure dependent upon food and water, shelter, garments, and company. death overtakes us all, scattered as humans have always been concepts are less real because they need a mental frame. the subject ends, however. local patterns are just common cultural customs; what's real eludes self repeated acts may be valuable when they are part of zen. please fondle more kindly -- http://www.luckymojo.com/magi/ ; http://www.satanservice.org/ http://www.luckymojo.com/nagasiva.html emailed replies may be posted; cc replies if response desired