Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: i@no.self (!) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.philosophy.taoism,alt.zen,alt.buddha.short.fat.guy Subject: Re: Tao and Zen the same? Organization: Sonoma Interconnect,Santa Rosa,CA(us),http://www.sonic.net Lines: 12 Sender: yronwode@sonic.net Message-ID: <8r36qp$dh6@bolt.sonic.net> References: <39CE8762.86964173@twy.net> <39CEC0EE.6230AFBF@dingoblue.com.au> <39CEE94C.4207@libertysurf.se> <39CEDD12.A438FD7F@dingoblue.com.au> <39CEF72D.3E7D5B22@alaskancrypt.net> <39CEF7F9.536D5BB5@dingoblue.com.au> <39d190bf.16134349@news.halcyon.com> <8qvntr02aj1@edrn.newsguy.com> <8r2oku$s9o@bolt.sonic.net> <8r2qlm$chf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: !@luckymojo.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.4 (NOV) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:56:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.224.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 970268204 208.201.224.36 (Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:56:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:56:44 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:25465 alt.philosophy.taoism:78616 alt.zen:193606 alt.buddha.short.fat.guy:137618 !: |# hole in cup makes useful |# hole, cup, usefulness have no own-being Tim Harris : | then how are they known? through passing qualities without sustainable identity water waves change liquids earth forms into concavity resumes muddy gloppage