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Subject: Re: Nature of Mind & Consciousness
Date: 20 May 1996 13:42:57 -0700
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|ATMAN refers to "inherent existence" as the Dalai Lama said. ANATMAN or ANATTA
|means that there is no inherent existing self but instead a self which simply
|doesn't exist independantly. This doctrine is hard to defend when it comes to
|NIRVANA or NIBBANA. 

extinction of craving and the suffering to which it leads is the reward

|Nevertheless buddhist teachings claim there is no (inherent existing) self 
|at all.

no buddhists, no teachings, no claims

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|>|extinction of craving and the suffering to which it leads is the reward

|And the extinction of desire and the pleasure to which it leads is the 
|punishment?

desires have no ends.  pleasure of a more profound type arises without desire