Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.fan.dragons,alt.mythology,alt.spirituality.radical-faerie,alt.religion.all-worlds Subject: Re: On Becoming Elven References: <99268733.0212051505.570c011a@posting.google.com> From: elendraug Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 83 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:23:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1041283434 208.201.242.18 (Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:23:54 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:23:54 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:35534 alt.magick:330647 alt.fan.dragons:348282 alt.mythology:74010 alt.spirituality.radical-faerie:3415 alt.religion.all-worlds:23306 500212303 VII Ah Kin!!! Mystress Pearlz : >> IMO finding and seeing the beauty is the main defining characteristic of >> the elf. depends on the species. one might ascribe the attention to change, rather than beauty (the latter being variably defined by the elf or the author who writes about them), as the significant aspect of elven consciousness. this is in part why so many elves are depicted as saddened by the "Dying Realms". becoming an elf is effectively the equivalent of becoming a Taoist Immortal. >> In addition, one most also ignore large amounts of crap. intentional ignorance is the tool of the Sage. >> Too bad the word "elf" is so disreputable nowadays. it has not changed from 10 years ago, when those speaking of being or becoming elves in this and other newsgroups like it have been castigated, criticized, and misunderstood. >> There are lessons that can be learned. assuredly. as also from dragons, which a few have understood in a very important personal way. glass@panix.com (Robert Scott Martin -- some relative of Uncle Yow no doubt): > Maybe we can pronounce the word "eleven" for awhile if it helps keep us > out of that D&D ghetto. it was only a ghetto when relegated to the restrictions of early books. "Advanced" was an improvement which inspired a good many alternative systems that featured magic more prominently. > But seriously, I took you seriously all along. :> > I think few have seriously tried to think like an elf (or deva?) -- thinking is only one facet or symptom of elven consciousness. the differential surrounding change and holistic systems analysis seems the major fae anthem, along with attention to and value of Nature. > instead, people seem too busy just trying to track the elfs down > to talk to them, rather than to become them. this was the predominant introductory material offered in the Gardenerian coven with whom I studied (the Daoine Sidhe -- pronounced 'Daynuh Shee' if I recall correctly). we were very intrigued to carry Iron down into the Faerie Lands and asked during our visit not to eat or drink anything. one of my kin and I who played along were amused to visit with those whom we considered our family and to be abiding human customs. :> > Is Peter Pan a good example of the type of lessons you're talking about > (and the price of tuition)? Pan's not quite as sugar-coated as some other > elfin characters we could mention; maybe the Barrie books still have some > gold in them left to dig out. I don't think I understand Peter well enough. I never got the sense of a 'race' with him, so much as a Special Individual, like Mighty Mouse or Superman. > I used to be fascinated by the idea that the elfin way revolved around a > hermetic model with a half twist in it -- "them what's above is *backward* > below." Inversions, subversions, maybe even perversions. Not sure these > are your elfs. the Underworld elfs seem a wee bit different than the Prehistoric Thusgone-Ones described by Tolkien and others. I've thoroughly enjoyed comparing JRR's Protos with the Norse Valar and Maiar, as well as attempting to ferret out some complete notion of the Order of Istari, of whom Olorin (vulgar name 'Gandalf the ' seems to be the most renowned, reasonably). blessed beast! elendraug nagasiva@luckymojo.com http://www.luckymojo.com/avidyana/eldar/elves.tn