Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.thelema,alt.magick,alt.tarot,alt.divination Subject: Re: AC-SWITCH/GD-SWITCH and Heh-Tzaddi Problems References: <%WPJb.6486$XF6.144362@typhoon.sonic.net> <3FF9D5E6.8010802@cox.SPAMnet> From: 333 Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 296 Message-ID: <3a%Kb.7264$XF6.158059@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 21:49:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1073512191 208.201.242.18 (Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:49:51 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:49:51 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:44946 alt.thelema:98 alt.magick:364089 alt.tarot:121132 alt.divination:22364 50040107 vii om -- Liber Tzaddi Confirmed in Liber 418! for the interested: there are varying contentions as regards the final contentions of Aleister Crowley regarding his Tarot deck and the attributions affixed unto his Trumps. this has traditionally been concealed within secret orders (e.g. the Golden Dawn) and revealed only to those of sufficient Grade. Nigris' "Liber Tzaddi" provides out-of-order Practicus info on this matter, and it is in reflection of this that the query was put below. three separate resolution methods have been put forward by the interested in determining this, and it is worthwhile at this juncture to explain their logic: A) Ciphered Tables -- what is, within Crowley's "The Book of Thoth", identified within its Contents list as "Tables of Correspondence", are ciphered data that are sometimes misunderstood as 'in error' or 'jumbled'; it was the assertion of Fr. Nigris that they constitue a very clear indication of *intent*, and therefore should be regarded as primary in evaluation of the issue. B) Preponderance in Thothbook -- Crowley's text, published deck, and other related writings, contain somewhat of a diversity of expression on the matter, and it is contended by some that whatever configuration is most commonplace ought be taken as that which obtains. C) Temporal Priority -- alike to B) above, the logic of quantity ought give way to the logic of most recent expression, those previous to it forsaken as the chaff of mistaken thought on the part of Crowley, updated on the nearer date. with these in mind, we may proceed to examine the post below, discovering that one of the citations may well fulfill both A) *and* C) in the exploration! heya g0rd0n, thanks for the incentive. ;> g0rg30u5_g0rd0n : # i am curious, does your theory re: Tzaddi and Heh ambiguous. I presume for the moment you are speaking of what may be found in Liber Tzaddi concerning Crowley's apparent intentions for mimicking the GD-SWITCH as a format for effecting the AC-SWITCH (see Thothbook p. 10ff and reference list below). thank you for asking about these. I'll look at what I can find of the below immediately and reply here as to how they fit in. interpretation of the text itself I leave for my betters. # find support in books such as Liber Viarum Viae (868), I didn't find the text of this immediately. quote the relevant portions or at least point me to a copy and then we can discern it. the rest I found easily. # Liber Tau (400), which I found at: Liber Tau sub figura 400 http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/400taukabbalae.txt contains the Hebrew Letters in conventional order, absent Taw, in which the whole appears to be constructed. this is an affirmation, if taken as contemporaneous, of the principle of avoiding disruption of the Hebrew in the supposed rectification of the Trump-letter assignments. the relevant associations appear to be: $ HEH - Equilibrium on the Cubic Stone $ TZADDI - the Unveiling of Love. which conform to conventional GD imagery and pre-AC-SWITCH as I've understood it. EMPEROR-HEH TZADDI-STAR. # Liber Arcanorvm (231), which I found at: Liber Arcanorum sub figura 231 http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/231arcanorum.txt contains numbers (for the Roman 0 and I =>XXI) to which is set poetic expression, the relevant associations appearing to be: $ 4. Now riseth Ra-Hoor-Khuit, and dominion is established $ in the Star of the Flame. $ 17. Transformed, the holy virgin appeared as a fluidic fire, $ making her beauty into a thunderbolt. more closely aligned to the pre-AC-SWITCH as I've understood it than any kind of rectification. it might be shown to support the change of *names only*, making Emperor into 'Star' and somehow changing XVII to something else. IV-EMPEROR; XVII-STAR. # Liber Aervm (418), whose text and commentary thereupon I found at: Vision and Voice (418) Commentary http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/418comm.txt dated October 12 1952 which may be one of the *latest* contentions on attributes. it appears to be a partial CONFIRMATION of Liber Tzaddi (see below) in that it makes a clear distinction between "the general" and "the new Thelemic" attribution of Heh to Star, in accord with: XVII-STAR-HEH-15, but does not mention any 'new attribution' with respect to zodiacal sign. the book and its commentary proceed from highest to lowest 'aethyrs' in a long series subtended by paginated notation, the most obviously relevant of which are the 28th (XVII) and 15th (IV). I searched through it for text of pertinence to either Star or Emperor (+IV/XVII, Heh/Tzaddi; Sulphur/Swastika, 'general', 'attibut') and found the following (additions welcome!): $ 28. "The Vision of the Dawn of the Aeon of Horus (Atu XVII)" $ $ notes: 1. The general attribution of this Aethyr is to $ Atu XVII. this mention of "the general attribution" is an obvious discernment from his later "new Thelemic attribution". $ November 23, 1909, between 8 and 9 p.m. [these dates are those of the initial vision recorded] his mention of the Angel having armour on breast is more reminiscent of Emperor than Star, but the prominent imagery of Binah makes this connection somewhat tenuous. $ 15. "The Vision of the rose of 49 petals, and of the Holy $ 12-fold Table. Examination of the Candidate for $ [Magister Templi]." the only connection to either within this aethyr I can discern being text like: $ And now am I again rapt in contemplation of that universe $ of letters which are stars. as well as other mentions of stars, especially in the crown of the Angel of the Aethyr, and yet he also writes: $ And the letters of the circumference declare in glory $ of Nuit, that beginneth from Aries $ December 3, 1909. 9:15 to 11:10 a.m. which could indicate STAR=ARIES=28 but they are not clear. $ The Cry of the 7th Aethyr, Which is Called DEO has $ ...this is she that poureth the Water of Life upon $ her head, whence it floweth to fructify the earth^2. $ $ ... $ $ [note 2, p. 116] Refers to ATU XVII, "The Star", which $ shows this figure. this indicates clearly XVII-STAR and conventional image. also: $ 6. The Cry of the 6th Aethyr, Which is Called MAZ $ [note 4 p. 119] {Sulphur} is the active Fiery Nature, $ and the Microcosm of the Elements. But Atu IV, The Emperor, $ refers to {HEB:Heh} = 5, and he forms {Sulphur}, the sign $ for Sulphur, by the position of his arms and legs. Then $ harmonizes these, being the fiery thunderbolt, the electric $ whirling; and also the balance of the elements (its 4 arms) $ in a Microcosm. further on in the same notes: $ [note 5 p. 119] A = {HEB:Aleph} the Swastika; $ V = {HEB:Vau} = Atu V, the Pentagram; E = {Aries} $ and Atu IV, {Sulphur}. the two very obviously an identification of IV=EMPEROR=HEH=15 (=Sulphur). and later: $ Accordingly, I wait in a certain magical posture which $ it is not fitting to disclose, and above me appears $ the starry heaven^2 of night, and one star greater than $ all the other stars. It is a star of eight rays. I $ recognize it as the star in the seventeenth key of the $ Tarot, as the Star of Mercury. And the light of it $ cometh from the path of Aleph. And the letter Cheth is $ also involved in the interpretation of this star, and $ the paths of he' and vau are the separations which this $ Star unites^3. And in the heart of the star is an $ exceeding splendour, -- a god standing upon the moon, $ brilliant beyond imagining^4. It is like unto the $ vision of the Universal Mercury. But this is the Fixed $ Mercury, and he' and vau are the perfected sulphur and $ salt. and even more succinctly in the notes to this portion: $ [note 1, p. 120] {Aquarius} = the Man, the Pentagram; $ A, the Swastika; {Leo} the House of {Sulphur}. and $ [note 2, p. 120] Masloth = the sphere of Chokmah = {Mercury}. $ {HEB:Vau} and {HEB:Heh} lead from Chesed and Tiphareth to $ Chokmah. apparently indicating HEH-15 and $ [note 3, p. 120] Atu XVII has the letter {HEB:Heh} in $ the new Thelemic attribution. The Star is {Mercury} $ (Chokmah), for He is the light of Binah, the naked $ woman of the Atu. (Her arms make the Swastika; it is $ the sign of the Mourning of Isis. Aleph is the Path $ through which the light of Kether comes to Chokmah. $ Cheth is said in the Zohar to interpret H; and Cheth $ is the Path which conveys the Cup of Binah to the $ Inferiors. {Mercury} Unites H and Vau, for they are $ {Sulphur} and {Salt} (V = the Kerub of {Spirit}). $ December 10, 1909. 7:40-9:40 p.m. which is succinct in mentioning "the new Thelemic attribution": conventional imagery for Star, *and* mentions it as on Key Scale 15: XVII-STAR-HEH-15 while no zodiacal attribution is given. this is the only mention I've found so far that is specific as regards "the new Thelemic attribution", and it confirms my assertions about the AC-SWITCH insofar as the Roman Number and Name are exchanged. # or Liber Gradvvm Montis Abiegi (13)? which I found at: Graduum Montis Abiegni sub figura 13 (A Syllabus of the Steps Upon the Path) http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/013gmabiegni.txt in which I saw no mention of any Tarot or related attributionals. # if no support, how would your theory modify/ illumine these books? interestingly it appears to confirm Liber Tzaddi completely, and it seems that the relevant aspect of such confirmation will come with temporal assignment to expressions. since the text *and* commentary of Liber 418 are dated (many of the other texts/files I've referenced are reprints and therefore have identifiable timestamp), this is one of the more important discoveries for the purposes of supporting the Thothbook's ciphered Tables of Correspondence, p. 278. thank you for encouraging me to look them up. I'll readily peruse any other of Crowley's works for data on tarotic attribution, and if they are dated as well this will be helpful in tracking his most recent expressions on the matter and discerning how his conclusions changed over time. 333 ----------------------------------------------------------- ref "The Book of Thoth", by Crowley, Weiser, 1944+. "Liber Tzaddi" http://www.luckymojo.com/avidyana/plebe/libertzaddi.txt