Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,alt.magick,alt.tarot,alt.divination Subject: Tarot Card Deck Number (was 78...?) References: <3DBC55B7.372E@dmcom.net> From: nagasiva Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 93 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 06:48:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1036133333 208.201.242.18 (Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:48:53 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:48:53 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:35066 alt.pagan.magick:34427 alt.magick:323104 alt.tarot:112286 alt.divination:20664 50021031 VII om Winter's Eve Taliesin2: >> Why is there 78 cards in a Tarot deck? jk put a finger on it in describing the Tarocci deck and its composition (56+22, or, if you like, 56 + 21 + Fool). >> What is significent of that number. 78 breaks down nicely on its own as 13 x 3 x 2 (13 x 6). 13 has lunar implications, and that associated with witchery. 6 has solar implications, comparably, and this may speak well of the entirety's composure and self-consistency. or we may extend based on the tarot's traditional game and occult structure to: (7 x 2 x 2 x 2) + (7 x 3) + Fool (7 x 8) + (7 x 3) + Fool (7 x 11) + Fool which lends some weight to the notion that its resonance is more septenary, perhaps suggesting a Venusian (Key III -- The Empress) or transportive (vehicular/technical) qualities (Key VII -- The Chariot), combined with the 'number of magick' (11). as with most symbolic finger-painting, the preferences as regards symbolic and theoretical tradition will lead you from rote numerology and the cultural biases of this vaunted language to something more complex and cosmological, mystical, and instructive. have at it. bard@dmcom.net: > It depends on whom you talk to. Tarot decks were no always > that number of cards, the range varied larger and smaller. wasn't the historical game of Tarocci always 78 cards? if not, could you break down the history somewhat as to how and when the number varied, or point to some website that does beyond those already suggested? thanks. > The 78 though has(for the most part) become standard, agreed, for both Tarocci and occult Tarot. > because of wider aceptance. arguable, though you have the weight of reason on your side. > The number 78 has no special meaning to me, for others it might. the only resonances I detect is its transcendental associations (the numbers 7 and 8 being in the upper (or lower) registers, and often conveying instructive and passionate modes). that the deck may be subdivided into 22 (associated by qabalists with the Hebrew aleph-beth from de Gebelin an reinforced by Levi) and the preceding two integers, 56 (5 and 6) is interesting, and its sequencial subdivisions: 56 = (Ace/Root-thru-10 + 4 Court Cards ) x 4 Suits provides a resonance with the next smaller integer (4), but I'm not sure what to make of it beyond this. there's a ton of twos which could be considered cubes of 2. to wit: expanding the factoring of the numbers: 78 tarot Minor Major = 56 (7 x 8) + 22 (11 x 2) ordinary composition Numbers Courts Major Odd (10 x 4) + (4 x 4) (0-XXI) n/a alternatively (5 x 8) + (2 x 8) + (7 x 3) + Fool Deck Odd (13 x 6) n/a alternatively (7 x 11) + Fool I enjoyed Pollack's description of the Major Cards in sets of 7 (0 + 7 + 7 + 7) in stages of a Jungian Hero-journey. this continues upon a principle of 7, expanded from an octave to a power of 11, which I enjoy in a thing arcane. :> y r B o l b n e e w s a o s s d e t e d ! .com@nagasiva apologies for any duplication