Path: shell.portal.com!usenet From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (mordred) Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.magick.tyagi Subject: Re: 'Reclaiming' Satanism? (Was Re: Show and Tell Time) Date: 16 Dec 1994 18:24:42 GMT Organization: Portal Communications (shell) Lines: 149 Message-ID: <3csm1a$jnc@news1.shell> References: <0bf_9412070827@astaroth.sacbbx.com| <60131@toad.com> <3cj1tf$rd6@news1.shell> Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (mordred) NNTP-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Xref: shell.portal.com alt.satanism:12781 alt.magick.tyagi:1615 Kali Yuga 49941216 "Mr. Scratch" Fragmentation. Perhaps this is a sign of sorts. The intellectuals dart |> from the Satanic movement? |You have hit the nail on the head here. The intellectual backbone of the |movement is rapidly abandoning the Satanic label and much of the philosophy. Whether or not it is the 'backbone' remains to be seen. |...the imagery attracts too many social-rejects and malcontents. That is to be expected. Those who separate themselves from 'social-rejects and malcontents' ought not associate with Satanism, as I see it. |The ego-centrism that is vital to the philosophy allows these types to |develop delusions of grandeur. Of course, that is part of the POINT. Such delusions are important to develop and get to know VERY well so that they can be seen in others and prevented in oneself when one does not wish to have them. I notice that too often people avoid the phenomenon and then, when beginning to assume social authority fall headlong into the trap. It is much like 'anarchy', 'nazism', and 'fascism'. |I suppose it allows them to imagine they are on the top of the social- |strata, rather than on the bottom. Precisely, and also rather than doing away with the silly top-bottom paradigm altogether, but many Satanists (and, apparently, Setians) still don't understand this. |...it is obviously easier to behave rudely and insultingly than it is to |maintain a sense of dignity, the movement as a whole degenerates. I think this is overly simplistic. The repercussions of rude and insulting behavior are not, long-term, any easier than those of behaving in other ways. After all, they do not earn one respect among the social elite. The get one ignored and, in some circles, castigated. Look at your own attitude toward them. Hell, look at mine. ;> |There really was a time when a Satanist inspired a mixture of awe and fear |from common folk. Now one is just as likely to be met with a snort of |derision. Part of the benefit of Satanism is in doing things which break one's attachments to other-centrism. That is, it is really not that important what sort of reaction we might get from 'the common folk'. If you want awe and fear, just become a politician, lawyer or doctor. Or become a Priest. ;> Of course the reactions we may inspire CAN be used as a mechanism for the transformation of self and society, but this is different than seeing it as a barometer of 'success'. |Many people think Satanists are the scum of the Earth, and why shouldn't |they? We provide the example by which we are judged! I am the scum of the Earth. I crawl around on this rock in space and twiddle myself until I orgasm. Over and over I gesticulate the ecstasy of my cosmic flower. Judge me if you will, stay if you must, but don't try to stop me from my masturbation or I may resort to Liber OZ. |Once the majority of the truly adept throw up their hands in despair and |leave, the movement will come to be defined by the riff-raff. I guess this means that those such as yourself, who divide up the world into 'adepts' and 'riff-raff' will take your leave. I'll be happy to see you go. |I will be interested to see if it is then pulled down like a sick beast. |It will be a bittersweet moment for me when that happens. You will be off pretending that you are adept. Don't bother yourself. |You also make the point that Satanism should not be judged by the asinine |behavior on this group. I probably questioned this, yes. |I see where you are coming from, but on the other hand, why shouldn't it? Judge Satanism by what you see with your own eyes. These silly typings amount to nothing in the world of rocks and automobiles and power-lunches. If it doesn't translate into the physical realm, then it isn't worth saying here or elsewhere. What I hear from a variety of people in this newsgroup is just static on the mental cyberline. It is fun for about 10 minutes. Then it becomes tedious as long as one's life is part of something a little larger. |One can be exposed here to large numbers of Satanists, not just one or two. Supposedly, yes. |Theoretically, if there was anything that Satanism had to offer, one should |be able to find it here! Only if Satanism is able to be squashed into mutually-harmonizing bits and bytes. I don't disagree with you, and I personally think that what is occuring here IS Satanism, even while I may killfile most of it. :> |It is, (I believe) the primary medium of info exchange for the CoS and |other groups. Huh? I doubt this sincerely. There are various publications which Peggy and others advertize ('The Black Flame' among them). This newsgroup is hardly the front lines of Satanic communique. Please, if I am mistaken, I hope someone from the Church will set me straight on this. |I would maintain that this newsgroup paints a pretty accurate portrait |of Satanism as it stands today. Only within a particular region of cyberspace and only regarding quite intellectual, online issues. There is much more to Satanism than just group activity, and much more to group activity than the intellect. |That Tim would not want to be associated with it not only tells us about |the low quality people Satanism attracts, You display your arrogance well, I think. |but it says something about Tim's sense of pride and self-worth. |And that is TRULY Satanic! I suppose you'd know. Personally I think it is ludicrous to attempt to define what is and what is not 'Satanic' except in FAQs, information-books and introductions. Anything else is just a wishful propaganda and anything specific is a death-wish. nagasiva, tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (The Order of K@s Under Satan)