Path: shell.portal.com!shell.portal.com!not-for-mail From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nocTifer) Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.religion.wicca,tx.religion.pagan,talk.religion.misc,alt.satanism,talk.religion.newage,alt.christnet,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian Subject: GMC and Naivete (was Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BLOOD SUCKING FREAKS...) Date: 13 Jul 1996 12:48:56 -0700 Organization: Portal Communications (shell) Lines: 73 Sender: tyagi@shell.portal.com Message-ID: <4s8uj8$hm7@jobe.shell.portal.com> References: <4r34pl$d9o@news.ld.centuryinter.net> <836296829snx@hrnowl.lonestar.org> <31DDFA3C.3F05@erols.com> <4rs406$fkv@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <31E5EED4.ED@aye.net> <31E65B6B.2851@extro.ucc.su.oz.au> Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nocTifer) NNTP-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Xref: shell.portal.com alt.pagan:165941 alt.religion.wicca:33678 tx.religion.pagan:2547 talk.religion.misc:229224 alt.satanism:46934 talk.religion.newage:54308 alt.christnet:121400 alt.magick.tyagi:9344 alt.atheism:310419 alt.religion.christian:129923 kaliyuga 49960713 AA1 (headers corrected) Karen: |>|The Christians AND the Satanists TO THE LIONS!!!! the origin of this phrase points out the commonalities betwixt the two movements in their early phases. eventually the former was co-opted to be the vehicle of the Roman oppression (its major exponent, the RCC), the latter has recently begun to solidify, though its lack of attempt to regulate through trademark and such is exemplary. both are inceptually forms of the Great Martyrdom Cult, a vast and decentralized movement of the rebellious against unwanted authority and political oppression against religious freedom. in identifying with the slain (just as Jews, Witches and Wiccans do), a powerful psycho- dymamic is set up, propelling a conversion of language, mind and lifestyle through the social framework. eventually this dynamism gets away from its prototypical martyrdom complex and begins to become oppressive itself. this has been ongoing for years in regards Christianity and has occasionally been pointed out in response to clamoring about "anti-semitism" (rather than general bigotry) within the Germanic-Hebrew feuds. it appears to be operating to a minor extent within the Neopagan ('Wiccan', 'Witchcraft') communities as well when the 'new bad boy' arises as the Serpentine Head of the Diversification and Deceptive Amalgam for Individualistic Hedonism (Satanism). jeff barr-david : |Interesting to note that at University of Technology, Sydney a group |calling itself Satanists Society we may therefore presume them to be Satanists. |was grouped with the catholics, protostents, lutherens et al as a |christian group. your text is ambiguous. 'grouped' by whom? why? |Obviously if you believe in a Satan, there must also be Christ or God |for it to oppose. obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. |Satan would be nothing if he did not oppose God; the wild nature of us all opposes the god of Puritanism. if Neopagans don't oppose this, then they are collectively more naive than I'd presumed. |therefore Satanist must believe in God. fine except that your premise is faulty and your understanding of Satanism derives from the propaganda of the Christian Golem-Chimera. if *you* want to believe in that, then this makes YOU Christian, not me. ;> as far as I know, most Satanists don't accept that. now if you insist that you can speak *for* Satanists, then I'll begin to speak for you and we'll have a wonderful time confusing ourselves into disempowerment, which is the ENTIRE INTENT OF THIS SILLY OPPRESSION. get it, yet? lorax of the evul wikkhunz TOKUS (The Order of Kaos Under Satanism) tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com -- Ensure my response - CC public replies to email http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi/nagasiva.html (emailed replies may be posted) check: http://www.paranoia.com/coe/