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49961121 AA1 Hail Satan!


"Mr. Scratch" <scratch@gladstone.uoregon.edu>:
#># ...the Satanists I know personally are thoughtful folks, mature in 
#># their sense of self, intent on reaching their lifes goals, and quite 
#># pleasant to socialize with....  
 
Shez:
#> I took at look at alt satanism, ....  there was nothing of worth, interest,
#> or wisdom, anywhere to be found. 

"Mr. Scratch" <scratch@gladstone.uoregon.edu#:
#On the issue of alt.satanism, most initiated Satanists (including myself)
#would agree with you.  

here we have the discernment of 'the initiated' from the 'uninitiated'.
it is the First Step in the dissolution of religion into social mechanism.


#As I have said, the imagery that surrounds Satanism attracts a good deal 
#of garage-dwelling, no-life, bottom-of-the-social-barrel societal 
#rejects 

so far no reason to exclude from a religion.  in fact, some religions
were founded by or for such individuals (Christianity, for example).


#who use said imagery merely to shock their peers, and so they can cover 
#their inadequecy by presenting what they hope will be a scary facade.  

this is also common to religions, especially along with the reinterpre-
tation of imagery and language that tends to go along with it.


#I call them "Beavis and Butthead Satanists".  

Step Two in the dissolution of religion: denegration of co-religionists
on the basis of popular media icons of ridicule or insubstantiality.


#As they are only using the imagery as props, they have little
#or no actual understanding of the philosophy that lies at the core of
#Satanism.  

the fallacy here is that Satanism necessarily involves a 'core philosophy',
which it need not.


#They generally have no support, but simply make up thier "Satanism" as 
#they go along.  

GASP!  sound like any Neopagans we know and love?


#They are really no different than high-schoolers who play at being 
#"witches" in order to scare their friends and alienate their families.  

that's how Witchcraft got its start.  they weren't 'playing at it',
they were really witches.  you just choose to overlook this by
defining them out of their self-identification (the Third Step).


#In the end, when the novelty wears off, they go about their business.

this is true of most religious.


#Alt.satanism has long been abandoned to the Beavis and Butthead crowd --
#they are simply too stupid and too obnoxious for the rest of us to deal
#with (except to flame occasionally); 

this is not entirely true.  a number of the more obnoxious do in fact 
post there, yet there are also a fair number of more serious Satanists 
who also contribute to the fray.  using killfiles helps tremendously.
as usual, those with the technology and will can accomplish their end.


#there are private Left-Hand Path e-lists that have been tailored for 
#the serious Black Magician.  

note that 'Black Magician' was re-interpreted (from the obviously
scary original -- note the solidarity of co-opting scary things and
using them in ways which the 'initiated' understand!) and now means
something other than the usual 'harm-based' magick.


#If you want a closer look at what the LHP/Satanism is really about, 
#I recommend you subscribe to Xepera-l (<listproc@netcom.com>, 
#"subscribe xepera-l). 

note: proselytizing of the Setian.  fyi.  any and all who begin the
Third Step in the dissolution of a religion, that of the construction
of the 'Real and True Religionists' are perhaps best consigned to the 
flames as deluded and/or politically-motivated.
 

#Again, the rest of us shouldn't be judged by the cretins who merely wear 
#the costume for shock value.

so easy to discern, I'm sure.  beware of those who will tell you what
Satanism *is*, aside from what it is for *them*.  as the Third Step in
the Satanic Dissolution, it includes the Conformists and Charlatans
more than it does any other faction of that religion.

nocTifer
tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com