Path: kudonet.com!kudo20!tyagi From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nocTifer) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.psychology.jung,alt.christnet,alt.religion.christian,talk.religion.misc,alt.satanism,alt.evil,talk.religion.newage,alt.magick,alt.magick.tantra Subject: Shadow-work, Christian Magick and Karma Yoga Date: 17 Feb 1997 11:17:38 -0800 Organization: KudoNet On-Line Services Lines: 115 Sender: tyagi@bjt.net Message-ID: Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nocTifer) NNTP-Posting-Host: kudo20.kudonet.com Xref: kudonet.com alt.magick.tyagi:8792 alt.psychology.jung:3234 alt.christnet:148675 alt.religion.christian:155091 talk.religion.misc:227111 alt.satanism:49199 alt.evil:38735 talk.religion.newage:55766 alt.magick:79184 alt.magick.tantra:2727 [orig-to: silverchalice@hollyfeld.org (Silver Chalice)] 49970217 AA1 Hail Satan! (transl. => 'heal the Shadow'!) peace be among you, my kin. someone quoted the following source on Jung and feminism to another elist of which I am a member and I had the following reply, slightly edited for this forum, which I thought would translate well here given the recent focus I had on Jesus the Magician and the Satan-Shadow correlation: "Yung & Feminism Liberating Archetypes by Demaris S. Wehr 1987": #> At least as frightening and dangerous as national shadow #> projection is the possibility of mass shadow possession. Hitler's #> hypnotic power over many people is often cited as an example. the first step in escaping possession by the Shadow is to try to understand that we do these things to *ourselves*. individuals such as Hitler, Manson, Daumer, etc., represent a repressed element of our unconscious to us and we give them power by speaking of them in demonizing and awed ways ("Hitler's hypnotic power"). Hitler's skill was emotive oratory and his placement at the right time and mood in pre-WWII Germany given his personal beliefs and political persuasions (they conformed to a great deal of German folklore). #> Being possessed by the shadow means being overtaken over by it., without #> one's conscious knowledge. In Hitler's case, as with lesser shadow #> possessions, the conscious personality rationalizes what the shadow #> does in the name of good, since the shadow is, by definition, #> opposed to the conscious personality's view of itself. In a shadow #> possession, the ego-ideal is mesmerized into the shadow's point of #> view. Hitler spoke with the power of the unintegrated shadow, #> touching deeply upon other people's unconscious hatred and fear, #> causing them to accept the rationalization for the shadow's #> behavior. importantly, the solution is not simply the elimination of the Ugly Shadow-dictator (another will eventually take his place). the triggers are there because we are pushing away from our conscious mind some aspect of real human experience (such as intense and wrathful emotions, activities which we find too loathesome to bear, events we cannot accept, etc.). [...] #> ...Jung's thesis that #> unconsciousness itself is evil. Lack of awareness of one's own #> unconscious leaves one at its mercy. that being unconscious is detrimental to our greater health I am inclined to agree. consideration of the unconscious itself as evil seems slightly off-base to me except as that that is where the source of the loathing and fear may be found (in elements of unintegrated consciousness). #> Transformation of the personal shadow is possible, however. #> First the shadow must be recognized -- either through the full and #> conscious expression of its feelings or through personification -- #> so that the ego can dialogue with it. this is the value of Satanism such as my own and those who engage taboo activities such as tantrics.... the first step is forums like this one in which we are currently engaged. the second is exchange of delicate and at times personal information in the empowerment of each other and the reflection upon our own Shadows for the purposes of group growth. the third step is taking this further into the world around us in whatever capacity we feel to be our role. #> The evil that the shadow #> caused before integration can be transformed in the encounter with #> the ego. 'evil' in this sense is a kind of self-troubling, a self-restriction and hamstring in which our psyches are tangled in our own repressions. the 'good' which comes of accepting our Shadow [Satan] for what it is and in some measure entering into them, integrating them back into our lives, is that we are liberated to psychic wholeness and enabled to assist in the same process as it occurs within society (collective Shadow-work). {it is this collective Shadow-work that I consider to be 'Christian'} #> Like two opposing personalities, the two can learn to get #> along with one another. the integration of the shadow is humbling, #> especially if one's ego-ideal is harshly perfectionistic. "Befriended," #> however, the shadow can become an ally to the ego. more than this, the Shadow may eventually be merged in part or in whole with the Ego in what Jung called 'individuation' and perhaps what Maslow called 'self-realization'. this can be seen from a psychological view in that the individual becomes more integrous and self-determining or in a mystical perspective as becoming more in tune with divine experience. ...one may make of this process a personal journey through what Mohandes Ghandi and others have called 'karma yoga': a social action that simultaneously integrates us while also catalyzing a social awareness. this is decidedly advantageous in the atmosphere of 'ahimsa' or 'non-harm' (to other life forms), which Ghandi instructed, as well as his principle of 'truth-force' (in Sanskrit 'satya-graha') -- nonviolent physical opposition to what we perceive as an 'evil'. {it is this 'karma yoga' which I think may be the 'work' of the Christian mage} tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com nocTifer -- see http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi/nagasiva.html and call: 408/2-666-SLUG!!! ---- (emailed replies may be posted) ---- CC public replies to email ---- * * * Asphalta Cementia Metallica Polymera Coyote La Cucaracha Humana * * *