Path: Supernews!kudonet.com!not-for-mail From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nocTifer) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc Subject: Satanism and Authority (was Re: Anton LaVey (DR.or NOT?)) Date: 20 May 1997 16:52:36 -0700 Organization: KudoNet On-Line Services Lines: 75 Sender: tyagi@bjt.net Message-ID: <5ltdg4$h72@kudo20.kudonet.com> References: Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nocTifer) NNTP-Posting-Host: kudo20.kudonet.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: Supernews alt.magick.tyagi:12231 alt.satanism:68264 talk.religion.misc:289326 49970520 AA1 Hail Satan! [apparently uncited] >>>I myself always wondered about the "Doctor" title that you see >>>once awhile. xeper@aol.com: >>Self-assumed. usage of "Doctor" or "PhD" appears to be common amongst orgSatanist leadership. I know very little about it personally (not finding my enthusiasm in jumping through the hoops necessary to warrant a college diploma), but I'd thought that these things typically applied within the specific fields of expression and that the current usage by you (Dr. Aquino) and by those of Anton "The Doctor" LaVey's entourage/organization were both nonstandard (since yours is apparently a PoliSci degree, not specifically pertinent to Satanism) and anti-authoritarian (LaVey's admirers apparently making fun of your usage and/or putting forward some shinnigans of their own). if I have mistaken either analysis I'd love to hear about it. thanks. h.paulis@magnet.at (Herbert Paulis): >Well, formally speaking, Anton LaVey does not hold a Ph.D. or anything >similar. But he himself has never said that he does. It's just that his >friends and people who hold him up in great respect call him Doc or >Dr. LaVey as a kind of honorary title (The Secret Life of a Satanist, >p.223...). It is only natural that there are and will always be people >who run him down because of this. it is quite akin to the association with Satanism generally, some affiliation with National Socialism, or implications that one may be engaged in "nefarious activities" (through usage of controversial terminology like 'black magick' or 'cursing' with co-opted meanings). that is, it is an expected fallout over the challenge to the structures of societal authority and the tactics which Satanists typically utilize. >So what? If they were not good enough to get an academic degree for >themselves at some university 'good enough' is a rather ambiguous assertion. there are a number of individuals who could not conform to the herd-penning of traditional academic environments whose exploits and intelligence surpass many who had the capacity to tow the line. I am aware also of a number of those who have achieved degrees in accredited institutions who were completely inept in any number of life-pursuits perhaps excepting satisfying the requisites of professor. >(I have, BTW) and not famous enough to get a honorary mention, I count >it mostly up to envy and jealousy. Better they go fly a kite. >Herbert Paulis >Grotto Master - Church of Satan the situation is more interesting than envy and jealousy as I see it. it amounts to a real challenge to authoritarian standards and institutions in a manner which borders on the insincere yet can be passed off as 'conventionally acceptable' (transposing reference to non-pertinent spheres of social involvement or being delegated titles of accredited institutions of society by those unqualified to so render -- especially those of a religious following). I doubt that this is at all unusual in the history of religion, and I think that it is especially relevant in the culture 'Satanic'. fly a kite indeed. nocTifer tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com -- (emailed replies may be posted) ------- join the AMT syncretism!!! see http://www.abyss.com/tokus ---------- call: 408/2-666-SLUG!! AAK! - Authorities Against Knowledge ** Knowledge is an enslaving illusion.