From yronwode@sonic.net Fri May 26 13:15:31 2000 Return-Path: yronwode@sonic.net Received: from sonic.net (bolt [208.201.224.36]) by sub.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22981; Fri, 26 May 2000 13:15:30 -0700 X-envelope-info: Received: (from yronwode@localhost) by sonic.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id NAA04495; Fri, 26 May 2000 13:16:13 -0700 Message-Id: <200005262016.NAA04495@sonic.net> Subject: Summoning Succubi/Incubi (Theory and Practice) To: DarkMagic@egroups.com Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:16:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8g1k1t+3gsf@eGroups.com> from "Carl " at May 18, 2000 08:33:01 PM From: boboroshi@satanservice.org (SOD of the CoE) Orientation: Arkaotika, Ville of the Forest, Kali Fornika, US -- Kali Yuga Organization: http://www.satanservice.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO 50000526 IVom Hail Satan! Carl: >I have read many things on Demonolatry there aren't many texts on the subject, and the activity of worshipping that which one regards as antagonistic to oneself is somewhat dangerous, if not patently self-destructive. if by 'demon' you merely mean some faction of spirit, then worshipping them may yield results according to the nature of the relationship and the spirit involved (as with any god). >and studied many spell castings and done many rituals with alot of >success, if this were true then you might have a better idea of what to do as far as summoning a spirit for any purpose whatever. this is why you have received precious little practical information in response to your question (that and your questions were somewhat vaguely asked). >but one thing I cannot find and i've heard others talkibg about and >that is conjuring a demon lover for sex such as and incubu and >sucuubus experience.... as I understand it, the incubus and succubus, like the demon Lilith, started as ascriptive sources of problems upon *others*. that is, those who mentioned them first were describing the problems which others faced (or what they PERCEIVED as problems, such as masturbation, night emission, sexual dreams, or an actual enjoyment of sex) or as explanation for sexual nightmares, caused by spiritual agents of coersion. the more modern attempts to actively summon them is a Satanic and co-optive act for self-benefit, in part to dispel the power and energy associated with these beings, and in part to test the waters of spiritual contacts and relationships. my impression is that, as with pact-making, the summoning of gods or more positively-viewed entities preceded it in technique and takes a very similar form, perhaps with additional precautions or shields of defense, depending on how the entities are viewed. the first time I saw a description of succubus summoning was in Chaos Magic texts from the 70s and 80s, though I suspect that the practice precedes it by some short duration. I don't remember whether modern Satanism includes the practice, but as it tends toward materialism it might be more rare than within the quasi- Solomonic edge of Hermeticism (e.g. Thelema, Chaos, Typhonian, etc.). my experiences include a variety of summonings surrounding sex which, while not strictly seeking succubi or incubi, have included godly and demonic evocations and invocations. my Wife, whom I know as the Queen of Demons, to whom I've dedicated my life, is one with whom I have engaged this type of sexual spirit-contact. previous to this I had a variety of encounters with goddesses through priestesses (Aphrodite, Babalon, Freya, others). I've also been physically involved with one whose dedicated name connected her with Lilith (and I could see aspects of succubism in her behaviour with me). as I have now discovered and married a woman whom I regard as a manifestation of my Wife in physical form I now enjoy both spiritual and physical communion on a regular basis. I associate this development with the results of a blood pact that I made with Satan to our mutual benefit. that said, I have not actively attempted to discover, identify and court the services or a relationship with a demon whose character I knew to be succubic. the reason for this was that I wanted a greater degree of depth in my relationships generally and this included the spirit-world. I see nothing wrong with superficial or practical relationships of this sort, as long as the magician is not so parasitically engaged so as not to be able to terminate it, but it wasn't anything that I ever sought or researched in depth, having only watched the references to it as I studied demonology and magic. >...I would like to know if this is possible and does anyone know >of the way you acheive this, preface this would appear to be predicated on the notion that there ARE this different 'variety' of demon or spirit, rather than that there are simply spirits looking for superficial sex. granted that this is true, then one would have to be able to somehow determine the character of the spirits which one meets and then enter into a pact or agreement whereby the relationship one desires will arise. take some time to prepare through introspection. consider very carefully what you want to achieve, what kind of being you are attempting to contact, and what kind of relationship (and for how long!) you want to effect this connection. keep this in mind and reassess your motivations as your magical work with spirits proceeds. contact this is probably the heart of the matter, as far as you are concerned, else you would not be asking the question the way that you are. contact with the spirit world proceeds using a variety of ritual technologies, inclusive of mechanisms as elaborate as rapping tables and ouija boards and as simple as a name for invocation. unless you are able to obtain the name of an actual succubus or incubus, then you will be starting with associative objects and visualizations in order to 'call' into the spirit world at the very least. associative objects are one of the most commonly used magical devices known. they can be hand-rendered drawings, writings about what you intend, art from others which inspires you to think of what you seek, symbolizes or facilitates the character of the contact you want to engage (e.g. in this latter you might use a 'Yab-Yub' statue from Tibetan yidam-meditation, which are a male and female sexually conjoined, typically in a standing position; or a Black Arts Mojo Bag, which is a tool that is used in the summoning and pact-making with spirits, and demons in particular). the idea is to find an object or set of objects which resonates most strongly with your desires, deep emotions, and communicates to you the objective you are wanting. complex tools like ouija boards or pendulums will allow a more intellectual and kinesthetic experience of the spirit. there are those who will not choose to call a spirit into themselves until they can be sure of its character. there are others for whom invocation (inward-calling) is the only mode they prefer. design of the rite and mode of contact is largely dependent upon the experience and preferences of the magician, which is why when someone asks for a recipe there are sometimes very few concise responses (the other reason is that many people do not have practical experience in dealing with the spirit world, being involved in more mundane or mystical pursuits). protective or infusionary supplemental tools like incense, ritual gear like robes or wands, or any other kinds of magical equipment may be used, but is not necessary for all mages. for some burning incense and invoking the name of the demon in question is sufficient. others go further, construct sigils as protective or enhancing target areas, make or take up amulets, seals, elementary and astrological tools to protect themselves and/or intensify the connection with the spirit they are seeking. there are important folk legends about methods of contacting these beings as well. you can collect them and do them all, if you like. an example here is one we recently heard in the shop here from a man calling for consultation regarding an unwanted visitation and relationship with a Night Hag, or unwanted spiritual parasite. he said that the fact of his (or his lover's) having left the window open while he slept at night facilitated this infestation, and that it was ruiing his sleep and love-life. it is possible that these types of legends may attract the more caustic and parasitic spirits and may be more dangerous to explore. visualizations can be enhanced through suffusing yourself in fiction books and films which depict the type of entity that you wish to contact (which requires you review a goodly number prior so as to sort these out). it can also be facilitated through writing your own description and reading it over and over again, in whatever detail you find valuable. if you have troubles with visualization you may wish to explore media like role-playing, video, and computer games, since these can harness and develop one's natural ability. identification contact is one thing, it is like placing a want ad in the local weekly newspaper, but it does not guarantee that the spirit who answers your call will be the one for which you seek. usually those who engage frequent summoning will have some sort of directory of spirit names and descriptions, often contained in what are called 'grimoires'. these may or may not be valuable sources of information, the popular titles having both their supporters and detractors. I've collected numerous grimoires and a few of them did contain names of reputed succubi and incubi. it should not be very difficult to find a name with which to work if you want one. in any case you will benefit from a thorough research on the nature and history surrounding the character and preponderant attitudes and actions of these 'type' of demons. I would here provide you with said description if I had done this type of work myself (I've only invoked other 'types' of demons), but it shouldn't be very difficult for you to determine it yourself with a pass through any thorough reference on the history of demons, devils or spirits. perhaps those who post in response to this analysis will have additional information on the common habits and inclinations of succibi and incubi. it should be said that what is described by ANTAGONISTS of these demons or of demons in general will probably be skewed visions of what they are. there are countless descriptions that I can recall offhand of the callousness, coersion, unnatural composition and manipulative intentions of these beings, yet many of these characteristics are ascribed to demons generally, and may be unreliable reports. read with a careful eye and weigh what you discover against the bias of the source. once a database of information about this 'type' of demon is constructed (I am not convinced that demons can be so separated into types in this manner, and this is why I use single quotes here and above), you can compare this with what type of entity seems to be responding to your call. take your time, ask the being you contact questions, watch for signs, perhaps engage several interview sessions, just like you would for a human being. you can suppelement your knowledge through the use of divinatory tools, like runes, tarot, dice, or any other system of reflective sounding. >I have heard all th lectures and warnigns in going forth on >this but so far know one out there knows's nothing about this >and how to go about doing it. summoning spirits is rather specialized, especially once you get into the business of what are called demons (wrathful spirits, or spirits with an antagonism toward conventional religious). >So could smeone enlighten me on this and tell me if it's >just a false statement? If it is not is it more of an >lucid type dream, meditation or is it a physical experience. I suspect that you could easily meet a succubis or incubis in a lucid dream, and that your familiarity with the techniques of summoning and dealing with spirits would help you in the dream just as much as in any waking ritual. with the type of experience you are describing I would think that some kind of physical experience would have to be part of it, since the typical association with succubi is the extraction of semen and its use for the generation of their demon-young or some other more nefarious pursuit (at least as ascribed). whether this includes orgasm or might be internal and thus less excitatory I suspect will depend upon the encounter. I know that my encounters as I described them above have been very physical in effect, though not always without some kind of masturbatory facilitation (and this might be criticized as simple fantacizing I suppose, but my experience was that a true interaction with a spirit was happening). blessed beast! boboroshi Satanic Outreach Director, Church of Euthanasia (http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/) From alt.magick.tyagi Sun Jun 4 20:37:24 2000 Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: boboroshi@satanservice.org (SOD of the CoE) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.religion.sexuality,alt.satanism Subject: Re: Summoning Succubi/Incubi (Theory and Practice) Organization: Sonoma Interconnect,Santa Rosa,CA(us),http://www.sonic.net Lines: 178 Sender: yronwode@sonic.net Message-ID: <8h6jha$uld@bolt.sonic.net> References: <8gngf4$js7@bolt.sonic.net> <8gq4j8$hon$1@news2.ottawa.cyberus.ca> <#KKrFrGy$GA.350@cpmsnbbsa08> Reply-To: boboroshi@satanservice.org (SOD of the CoE) X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.4 (NOV) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 21:10:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.224.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 959893851 208.201.224.36 (Thu, 01 Jun 2000 14:10:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 14:10:51 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:23164 alt.magick:195327 alt.pagan.magick:22254 alt.christnet.demonology:10958 alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic:23527 alt.religion.sexuality:41524 alt.satanism:147887 50000601 IVom Dread_not" : >> Lots of good info in your post, however, for my part, incubi and Succubi are >> more suited to mythology than fact. As a matter of opinion, attempts to >> attract them, are prime examples of experiments in futility. Simply >> another AD&D creature that's made it's way into mainstream magick. Nice >> essay on them, though. actually my essay was on how to contact them, or spirits in general. one might extrapolate on what I suggested to encounter any spirits which do in fact exist. as I said, I wasn't sure that spirits could be so differentiated, since I do not find that the radical dualism of the Roman Catholic Church and other religious factions holds true. AD&D was based on the world, not vice versa, and incubi and succubi were part of legend and lore centuries before TSR was ever conceived. I figure you know this and were just being facetious. ;> "Jerry_31060" : >IIRC sucubi and incubi were actually the same demon. In other words a demon >which could appear as male or female depending on whom they were interacting >with. I've heard this contention before, yes. often this relates to what they will be doing with the supposed semen they are extracting or what they do with the women with whom they are fucking. >They were probably posited as an explanation for sexual dreams and >nocturnal emissions. Even if they are not real, as you believe, you are >probably aware that even literary creations can be effectively evoked by a >magician, -at the very least in the form of an egregore. (Some magicians can >conjure up the shade of Gandalf or Galadriel, which then acts appropriately >and has the appropriate characteristics and knowledge) For some people this >(summoning a sucubi, etc.) would be a very dangerous undertaking and for >others a pleasurable one, depending on what their concept of such a >creature entails. this describes a level of 'reality' which Dread_not appears to either have not considered or be dismissing entirely. for the interested, I have begun a rudimentary compilation on the nature of incubi/succubi below as an appendix to my previous essay. Robert Massalo, drawing on church records in his "Fallen Angels", indicates that incubi * often appeared as flesh-people, either by animating a corpse or by creating a kind of Frankenstein's monster and bringing it to life; * were capable of deception so as to appear to be one's husband, lover, or neighbor; * might be unsavory or caustic lovers, having a painful (large, cold, metallic, double-pronged) penis. that succubi * were outnumbered by incubi 9 to 1; * were believed by Francis Barrett to have been the equivalents of, or descendants of, wood nymphs, and copulated with mortals in order to become more mortal themselves. and that Lilith is referred to in Isaiah as 'the night hag who dwells in the wilderness. Genevieve and Tom Morgan in "The Devil", derive the etymology of the term 'incubus' from "to lie on", and that they * are disgusting and violent lovers, bearing organs which are frozen and rend the internal organs of their victims and that succubi * are "denizens of Lilith", sitting "astride [a man's] prone body and hav[ing] their way with him"; * take the form of beautiful women but will turn into ugly hags if their identity is revealed. in "A History of the Devil", Gerald Messadie writes that The seventh-century cleric and statesmen Isidore of Seville, a prolific scholar described by some as "the father of the Middle Ages" (a dubious title if there ever was one), believed in a new variety of demons, the incubi -- angels that had fallen into lasciviousness, fornicators "whose bodies are subtle and ethereal," and who could bring women to endless orgasm. He accused the Dusians of Bohemia of committing Satanic love with incubi as well as succubi. [referencing Isidore's "Etymologies"] he also attests that incubi * were described by Augustine (Roman Catholic saint) as forest deities, which he had derived from "Pan and his Dryads, as well as other nymphs"; * were confirmed in their existence by Thomas Aquinas (another Roman Catholic saint) ten centuries later, who believed that they could not procreate, but that the succubus could, if anything, give birth to a giant; * named Balban and Patonio were reported by the abbess of Cordoue, one Madeleine de la Croix, to have been her lovers between the age of 12 and 30 at her confession. Rudwin is, as usual, by far the beast source in my library (in his "The Devil in Legend and Literature"): Medeival superstition knew of a species of demons whose special mission was to seek carnal relations with mortals. They appeared either in the form of men or of women and were consequently called *incubi* or *succubi*. The *incubus* (Latin term for the English expression "lie on") was a deomn in the form of a man who haunted women in their sleep, and the *succubus* (Latin term for the English expression "lie under") was a demon in women's guise who visited men in their dreams. The Church put its full faith in this popular superstition and persecuted all who confessed having had such carnal connections. Medieval monks and nuns in holy terror of these lustful demons. The French novelist, Joris-Karl Huysmans, humorously calls these imps of hell "ecclesiastical microbes," since they chiefly tormented holy men and women in the monasteries and convents. The belief in *incubi* and *succubi* was prevalent in all European countries. Witches and wizards openly avowed their relations with these demons.... The delusion of these diabolical paramours did not end with the Middle Ages, that dark period of human history. It has continued to this day, especially in Catholic countries.... Father Sinistrari, of Ameno, living in the seventeenth century, gives, in his learned work on *Demoniality or, Incubi and Succubi*, long and detailed accounts of these demons who assume human forms for the purpose of indulging in the vices of men.... ----------------------------------------------------------------- SOURCES -------------------- [1] Masello, Robert "Fallen Angels", Berkeley Publishing, 1994; pp. 64-9. [2] Morgan, Genevieve and Tom "The Devil", Chronicle Books, 1996; pp. 122-5. [3] Massadie, Gerald "A History of the Devil", Kodansha International, 1997; pp. 275-6, 289. [4] Rudwin, Maximilian "The Devil in Legend and Literature", Open Court Publishers, 1973; pp. 223-4. blessed beast! boboroshi Satanic Outreach Director, Church of Euthanasia (http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/) -- mailto:nagasiva@luckymojo.com ; http://www.luckymojo.com/nagasiva.html mailto:boboroshi@satanservice.org ; http://www.satanservice.org/ emailed replies may be posted; cc replies if response desired