Path: shell.portal.com!shell.portal.com!not-for-mail From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.religion.shamanism,alt.fan.dragons,alt.magick.tyagi Subject: Re: Dragons & humans. Date: 16 May 1996 21:59:50 -0700 Organization: Portal Communications (shell) Lines: 51 Sender: tyagi@shell.portal.com Message-ID: <4nh146$2a0@jobe.shell.portal.com> References: <4ncs6j$chs@nadine.teleport.com> Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) NNTP-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Xref: shell.portal.com alt.magick:73715 alt.religion.shamanism:3810 alt.fan.dragons:39952 alt.magick.tyagi:8139 49960516 loglin@inch.com (Jonathan A. Frater) wrote: |>Does anyone out there know how to meld/integrate a dragon and a human |>without either of them losing thier minds? it is said that the dragon mind is overly expansive, the humans overly constrained for either to reside totally within the other, yet I think this is a generalization without sufficient study. the human must be broad-minded, flexible of thought and intuition, and generally conforming to that 'eternal' and 'immortal' aspect pointed out by several religious paradigms (e.g. taoist alchemy) and fantastic tales (as Tolkien's elves). for the dragon's part, she'd have to be capable of getting into very small and concentrated, empassioned consciousness which dragons don't always find valuable (humankind is notoriously short-lived and ignorant). duo@teleport.com (Gratuitous Pseudonym): |Since dragons are not objectively "real", speak for yourself. at least the kimodo is real. :> beyond this I agree that they are very difficult if not impossible to locate in the material world. |...In White's novel, "The Once and Future King", Merlin teaches Arthur to |enter the consciousness of different animals. You might use some variation of |his technique. a beautiful suggestion! |Concerning the danger of losing your mind, it is always best to develop good |ways of distinguishing between what is objective phenomena and what is |subjective phenomena and not confusing one with the other. This should be |done as soon as possible when one is exploring magical/mystical states of |consciousness. It is a bad idea to think that everything you experience has |the same order of reality as everything else, or that your innate sense of |what is happening is infallible. Usually this confusion has no more serious |results than to make you look foolish for letting your imagination carry you |away, but there are occasions when it can cause you some serious harm. while I agree I *also* think it valuable to be able upon desire to move BEYOND this (some call it false) dichotomy. tyagi -- Ensure my response - CC public replies to email http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi/magi.html (emailed replies may be posted) http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi/nagasiva.html