Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.metaphysics.alchemy,alt.consciousness.mysticism,alt.lucky.w,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.magick.tyagi Subject: Becoming Immortal References: <000801c2bfd1$b69344d0$4d837244@feartt> <3E2C6A02.CCE2793F@luckymojo.com> From: xiwangmu Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 65 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:04:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1043355882 208.201.242.18 (Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:04:42 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:04:42 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net talk.religion.newage:158477 alt.metaphysics.alchemy:193 alt.consciousness.mysticism:58572 alt.lucky.w:13269 alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic:35988 alt.magick.tyagi:35927 50030123 VII CKaos Day! freak : >> ...do you know where I can find information on how to >> become immortal? most religious tracts and cosmologies include data and techniques for how to achieve this. >> Do you know if there is such a spell? the Pill of Immortality and the Stone of the Philosophers. a good number of magicians are concerned with these in both literal and symbolic varieties. sri catyananda : > I classify into three types the meaning of immortality as > considered by philosophers, mages, and religionists: > > 1) immortality via resurrection in an afterlife.... this is the most common that I've found. > 2) immortality in the present body, with or without aging. > Chinese Sexual Alchemy is one major magical discipline dealing > with this technique, but be aware that youth per se is not > valued by the Chinese, for old age is seen as a great treasure, > so immortality in a Taoist context will mean millennia spent > as an old person. Do a google search on Taoist sexual alchemy. "in the present body" seems mistaken here. usually the Taoist alchemists presuppose the changing of the body into some kind of 'untarnishable' or 'unchanging' (often 'Adamantine') replacement body, either as the original person or supplanted by a kind of Godchild. > 3) Subjective immortality. > This is my term for the effect of a dilation of the time sense > through mental pleasure of an ecstatic sort, often induced by > drugs, sexual pleasure, trance, dance, etc. You're on your own > with this one. Have fun. Play safe. I never saw this hypothesis/interpretation before I created it. if you have references on 'immortality' classed in this way I'd like to examine its basis and see if I drew from it to create my ideas about present-centered mysticism. thanks. there's also: 4) Societal immortality. This is the usual substitute once the others have completely collapsed without basis or have been overlooked. It consists of attempting to make sure that one will somehow receive the attention of human civilizations in the years after one's death ('immortality by virtue of being remembered or having had influence upon human civilization'). and 5) Genetic immortality. This is the last holdout for the desperate: it consists in providing offspring so that's one's genetic strain will perpetuate beyond one's mortal coil. mu