Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: nagasiva Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.skeptic,talk.religion.misc,alt.consciousness.mysticism,alt.pagan.magick,alt.magick Subject: Location of Symbols (was where to start?) Organization: Sonoma Interconnect,Santa Rosa,CA(us),http://www.sonic.net Lines: 54 Sender: yronwode@sonic.net Message-ID: <9lfvum$pti@bolt.sonic.net> References: <3b781065.56377916@News.CIS.DFN.DE> <9l9o86$r45@bolt.sonic.net> <3B796F52.D23E2626@envirometrics.com> <9ld2ev$7bp@bolt.sonic.net> <3B7AADE2.613D86C6@envirometrics.com> <9lfd8o$9tu@bolt.sonic.net> <3b7b45bb.6352880@News.CIS.DFN.DE> Reply-To: nagasiva@yronwode.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.4 (NOV) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:26:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.224.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 997950371 208.201.224.36 (Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:26:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:26:11 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:28711 talk.religion.misc:354884 alt.consciousness.mysticism:51130 alt.pagan.magick:28102 alt.magick:257477 50010815 VI! om Hail Satan! Hail Yes! joecosby@mindspring.com (Joe Cosby): > What we experience we experience in mind. there's no 'we' if everything is an illusion. nagasiva: >> working without tools, you're just working in your imagination. > > ...working -with- tools, the only 'magic' is based on imaginary > relationships. sympathetic magic appears at times a contradiction to this. > Do you really think there is a material property in a magical tool > which makes it somehow more 'magical'? answered elsewhere. > The essence of it is symbolic. is symbolism the new metaphysics? > No other explanation holds water. You seem to understand this. false. I've noticed several explanations holding water. > Where do you think symbols reside? you know I've heard this question probably 3 times since I've been online. I think it is one of the most important and deep inquiries that I can imagine, in part because of the medium and mode of expression (through a keyboard using language). do symbols "reside" somewhere? or do their images only? whether linguistic (poetry, logic, philosophy), pictorial (vegetative, animal, geometric, etc.), mathematic (numerical, conceptual), or magical (sigils, spell elements, ritual tools, etc.), can we identify with precision the location or specific activity of the symbols used? do any of these have a 'definitive' meaning? or is it all arbitrary? the symbols reside on the canvas on which we paint them. our reflections of said symbols are just that. some we have discovered, others we have created if we are prone to it. blessed beast! nagasiva -- emailed replies may be posted ----- "sa avidya ya vimuktaye" ----- "that which liberates is ignorance" http://www.luckymojo.com/nagasiva.html hoodoo catalogue: send postal address to catalogues@luckymojo.com