Path: typhoon.sonic.net!out.nntp.be!propagator-dallas!news-in-dallas.newsfeeds.com!in.nntp.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.132!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 27 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pstuart@aol.comnojunk (PStuart) Newsgroups: alt.magick Date: 04 May 2001 16:55:29 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Drugs and Practical Work Message-ID: <20010504125529.01149.00001276@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:242137 93 >I have done some powerful rituals with others on LSD, but to be >able to "control" the LSD experience for the purposes of magic is a >great skill requiring a lot of experience with hallucinogens, >admittedly. BIG difference between working with psychedelics and working with narcotics. Apples and oranges (or mushrooms and poppies, if you will). One expands the mind and unites the consicous with unconscious, the other contracts awareness and isolates the consciousness. This isn't to say that there is no ritual use for morphine, but the realities involved in applying it to ritual are entirely different. I'd note, however, that Crowley was addicted to heroin for a good portion of his career. While a moderated heroin habit is again different than a medicinal morphine sulfate habit, it does suggest that some ritual activity is possible. Probably not the goetic and enochian work that the subject had been involved in, at least not in the form he was doing it while off the drugs. 93 93/93 Phil ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Pan's Tarot - http://members.aol.com/panstarot/ Phil's Magick Page -- http://members.aol.com/pstuart/