Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39ABFAA2.7649@luckymojo.com> From: catherine yronwode Organization: Lucky Mojo Curio Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.magick.tantra,alt.magick.tyagi Subject: Re: Karezza References: <8ob359$6vn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39AAC9BE.73A1@luckymojo.com> <8of7u3$rn9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 72 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:55:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.137.113 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 967571746 209.204.137.113 (Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:55:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:55:46 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tantra:16571 alt.magick.tyagi:25013 Re O1Stat wrote: > > shirley2000@my-deja.com wrote: > > > Re O'Stat wrote: > > > > > The edition I have of has a copyright of 1973. I don't know if it > > > is legal to publish w/o permission. > > > > Which of the two books do you mean? > > If you mean "Karezza," I'm covered; the edition I'm working from is > > copyright 1896 and is now in the public domain.> > > > I was referring to the book by Lloyd The original Lloyd book was published circa 1932-35 (i don't have it handy to look up right now). It was reprinted sans copyright in a direct facsimile edition in the 1960s by Health Reserach of Mokelumne Hill (an outfir similar to today';s Kessinger Publishing). The copyright on the 1973 edition is spurious -- or, at best, it only applies to the quirks and layout changes inherent in that edition. I have a copy of the Health Reserach facsimile edition and would loan it out for scanning if i could mirror the HTML version at my site. Ditto for George Washington Savory's amazing and rare "Hell on Earth Made Heaven or The Marriage Secrets of a Chicago Contractor" (1905): It is in the public domain and is a very valuable tract on what the author refers to as "passive copulation" and "bosom love." I would loan it out (a much more risky proposition for me due to its rarity) in return for getting it back in one piece (!!!) and being able to mirror the HTML at my site. Shirley, you said you were unfamiliar with these books -- basically, Lloyd was a student of Stockham, knew her personally and worked with her, although he was much younger. His book, "Karezza, the Art of Magnetation" deals with the sexual techniques a little more forthrightly than Stokham does, and also devotes quite a lot of space to the subject of male control of orgasm (avoidance of premature ejaculation). The language in which it is written is quite poetic and heart-felt. The term "Magnetation" in the book's title is Lloyd's coinage from "magnetism" and "meditation." Savory's book is not directly connected to Stockham -- that is, unlike Lloyd, the author makes no mention of Stockham or karezza per se -- but circumstantial evidence indiactes that Savory was also a student of hers. For instance, the name "Chicago Contractor" points toward Stockham's home-base in Chicago, and the author says that the "Chicago Contractor" is now an elderly man -- which, since the book was published in 1905, would place him in Chicgo during Stockham's lifetime. Textually, the Chicago Contractor's tale of how adopting karezza (under the name "passive copulation") leads him to quit smoking and his wife to stop wearing corsets is VERY Stockhamesque. In any case, Savory is a Christian who advocates marital fidelity, passive copulation, oral sex, and breast suckling ("bosom love") as sure routes to a direct experience of Heaven, with the added physical benefits of greater love, improved health, and better children. The book is written as if in several voices, with the Chicago Contractor, his wife, their doctor, and their minister taking turns advocating the system, explaining the tehniques, and testifying to the results of dedication to this path. One chapter, written in the form of the wife's letter of sexual and spiritual advice to her sister, who is on the verge of divorce, is very compelling and may have actually been written by a woman (Savory's wife?). cat yronwode Hoodoo in Theory and Practice -- http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoo.html No personal e-mail, please; just catch me in usenet; i read it daily. Lucky Mojo Curio Co. http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html Send e-mail with your street address to catalogue@luckymojo.com and receive our free 32 page catalogue of hoodoo supplies and amulets