From sentto-1949225-5365-972448676-nagasiva=luckymojo.com@returns.onelist.com Tue Oct 24 21:38:03 2000 Return-Path: sentto-1949225-5365-972448676-nagasiva=luckymojo.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from ef.egroups.com (ef.egroups.com [64.209.169.102]) by buzz.sonic.net (8.11.0/8.8.5) with SMTP id e9P4c1Q16579 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:38:02 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-1949225-5365-972448676-nagasiva=luckymojo.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.38] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2000 04:37:56 -0000 X-Sender: cat@luckymojo.com X-Apparently-To: thelema93-l@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_2_0); 25 Oct 2000 04:37:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 30445 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2000 04:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Oct 2000 04:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO marine.sonic.net) (208.201.224.37) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Oct 2000 04:37:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 15465 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2000 04:37:54 -0000 Received: from buzz.sonic.net (208.201.224.78) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 25 Oct 2000 04:37:54 -0000 Received: from 209.204.136.80 (e183.nas22.sonic.net [209.204.142.183]) by buzz.sonic.net (8.11.0/8.8.5) with SMTP id e9P4buQ16489 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:37:56 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <39F664BB.4162@luckymojo.com> Organization: Lucky Mojo Curio Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: thelema93-l@egroups.com References: From: catherine yronwode MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list thelema93-l@egroups.com; contact thelema93-l-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list thelema93-l@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:43:19 -0800 Reply-To: thelema93-l@egroups.com Subject: [t93] Jennings on the phallus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Tim Maroney wrote: > > > I've also finished with the Hargrave Jennings book that I have, "The > Rosicrucians: Their Rites and Symbols", in hopes of turning up material > bearing on Cat's assertions. By now you will have gotten a set of extracts from chpter 6 of Jennings' book "Phallic Remains," with lengthy descriptions of neolithic vulvar stones (a.k.a. holed, yoni, goddess stones) as "phallic objects," plus a ref to his book "Fishes, Flowers, and Fire and Phallic Symbols." And you will also have seen Jennings quoting the earlier author Richard Brash on vulvar stones as "phallic." > on p. 180, he [Jennings] says, "Figs. 28, 29, are symbols of Venus > (Aphrodite), the deity of the Syrians and Phoenicians. They are > phallic emblems. and > He does say the Venus sign is a "phallic emblem." He previously > referred to the Venus symbol as a symbol of male-female union, > differentiating between the female part (the upright oval) and the > male (the cross). I think you fail to see that Jennings is distinguishing the "phallic" astrological symbol for the planet Venus (circle plus cross) from "phallic" figs, which as phallic emblems represent the womb and are symbols of a female goddess of the Middle East (whom he innacurately calls Venus or Aphrodite). The fig does NOT look like the symbol for the plnet Venus. By the way, speaking of the fig -- in earlier comments, someone was discussing the use of a particular hand gesture during the mass, the priest putting his thumb between his index finger and middle finger. This gesture is almost universally known in Middle Eastern and Mediterranean countries as "the fig hand" (mano fico, figa, etc.). As noted in this thread by another poster, making this gesture wards off the evil eye. However, the gesture does NOT represent a penis per se -- rather, it represents the penis hiding for safety in the vagina/womb of the fig-goddess, by the various name she was known regionally. Making the figa gesture was, in ancient Syria and such areas the equivalent of making "the sign of the cross" for Christians. A variant form of fico gesture in which the two thumbs are caught and held, rght thumb in left closed palm and left thumb in right closed palm, is found among the Jews. This double-thumb-clasping gesture is used to ward off the evil eye (which by the way, is mentioned in the Book of Proverbs, so it is quite ancient among the Jews) and it is sometimes called "entering into Jerusalem." I have written a short illustrated web page on the fig-hand or mano fico gesture and the amulets that are made in the shape of a hand making the gesture. I realize that there is a lot of reading involved, but BEFORE looking that page over, i think folks should first familiarize themselves with the evil eye and its role as a "drying" influence that causes, among other things, sexual impotence through drying up of the sperm. It is this specific effect of the evil eye -- erectile dysfunction or impotence (which plagued Crowley himself, as he wrote in his autobiography/confessions) -- that the priest is actually guardring against when making the gesture during the mass. I could say a lot more about this, but it really is laid out fully on mt evil eye web page, so please start there, and then check out the mano fico (fig hand) page: The Evil Eye: http://www.luckymojo.com/evileye.html The Fig Hand: http://www.luckymojo.com/manofico.html cat yronwode No personal e-mail, please. Lucky Mojo Curio Co. http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html Send e-mail with your street address to catalogue@luckymojo.com and receive our free 32 page catalogue of hoodoo supplies and amulets Copyright (c) 2000 catherine yronwode. All rights reserved. -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. 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