Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3CA0DF4F.6D2F@luckymojo.com> From: catherine yronwode Reply-To: cat@luckymojo.com Organization: Lucky Mojo Curio Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.tarot,alt.divination Subject: Re: Tarot and Qabalah (was ...) References: <3C9DA470.DB6@luckymojo.com> <7Whn8.6969$44.54605@typhoon.sonic.net> <10cff505.0203251521.4bb7c151@posting.google.com> <3CA0C714.1270@luckymojo.com> <3CA0BDAF.C410143F@texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:38:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.150.173 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1017175137 209.204.150.173 (Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:38:57 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:38:57 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:32106 alt.magick:294627 alt.tarot:103134 alt.divination:19006 J. Karlin wrote: > > catherine yronwode wrote: > > Madame LeNormand's system--- > > Where did she come up with that? I would assume that you, as a tarot historian, would have more information than i, a generalist, would have. I don't have much knowledge about Madamoiselle (not Madame, sorry, my error) LeNormand, merely a ton of early through late 19th century books and card decks ascribed to her and presenting variations of her system. I assume she flourished during the Napoleonic era, to judge from what i have read. Her system of ascriptions (uncredited) is still used today and Le Normand style divination cards in several beautiful variations are still in print from the Swiss firm Piatnik. A comparison between LeNormand's attributions for playing cards and the Waite-Smith "lesser arcana" is quite interesting, and Waite's text, as i read it, points to the latter deriving from the former, not the other way around. cat yronwode Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3CA0E269.542@luckymojo.com> From: catherine yronwode Reply-To: cat@luckymojo.com Organization: Lucky Mojo Curio Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.tarot,alt.divination Subject: Re: Tarot and Qabalah (was ...) References: <3C9DA470.DB6@luckymojo.com> <7Whn8.6969$44.54605@typhoon.sonic.net> <10cff505.0203251521.4bb7c151@posting.google.com> <3CA0C714.1270@luckymojo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:52:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.150.173 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1017175932 209.204.150.173 (Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:52:12 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:52:12 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:32107 alt.magick:294630 alt.tarot:103135 alt.divination:19007 Pearlz wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, catherine yronwode wrote: > > Pearlz wrote: > > > > > > Prior to the Golden Dawn, what system was used for the minor arcana? > > > > Madame LeNormand's system was without a doubt the most popular method > > used when ascribing visual symbols and divinatory meanings to playing > > cards (which equate to what in GD-style tarot set-ups are called the > > "minor arcana" (lesser mysteries)). > > Thanks! I will try to locate a copy. I have a feeling this won't > be easy. Actually, many early to mid LeNormand style card decks and books are in print. About a year ago siva spent a while keying in texts from a batch of his and my 19th century card-divination books, but he set that project aside to work on other things and then, due to some hard drive upgrades and consequent data transfer problems, the material went into deep electron storage, from which it only recently re-emerged, praise be to Bob. I have been urging him to get it all online, and i will probably help him with this, AFTER our next mutual project, the Dr. Strange (Marvel Comics) index of magical spells. cat yronwode The Esoteric Archive --------- http://www.luckymojo.com/esoteric.html