Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39BAAEC3.6BFE@luckymojo.com> From: catherine yronwode Organization: Lucky Mojo Curio Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.lucky.w Subject: African Divination systems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 69 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 21:35:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.142.204 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 968535350 209.204.142.204 (Sat, 09 Sep 2000 14:35:50 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 14:35:50 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:25111 alt.lucky.w:8177 Forwarded by cat -- ~From: Eoghan Ballard ~Newsgroups: alt.religion.orisha ~Subject: Re: Sand divination ~Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:25:34 -0400 Organization: University of Pennsylvania For those seriously interested in expanding their awareness about the discussion on the origins of various methods of divination in Western and Northern Africa here are a few initial titles that are worth looking at. They by no means cover the full subject. It is an international phenomenon as virtually every system of divination found in West Africa is practiced in various forms by more than one ethnic group. As we are talking about the distribution and history of systems here, I am not including titles focusing on the application of divination systems. That is a different sort of knowledge and one which does not require a concern with or knowledge of the history of the system. Just as one would not turn to these authors for practical tips on divination (which is best learned directly from a teacher and in many systems can only be learned that way), books intended to provide or augment practical skills seldom are good sources for uncovering the history of a particular system. At best they usually describe the traditional understanding of the origins of the system. These have a spiritual truth but are not infrequently historically inaccurate. Bascom, William Russell, Ifa Divination, Communication Between Gods and Men in West Africa Bloomington, Indiana University Press, [1969]. Charmasson, ThÈrËse. Recherches sur une technique divinatoire: la gÈomancie dans l'Occident mÈdiÈval. GenËve : Droz ; Paris : H. Champion, 1980. Danfulani, Umar Habila Dadem. Pebbles and Deities: Pa Divination Among the Ngas, Mupun, and Mwaghavul in Nigeria New York : P. Lang, c1995. Diarra, Nyamaton. The Artfulness of M'Fa Jigi: an Interview with Nyamaton Diarra translated, edited and with an introduction by Sarah Brett-Smith; recorded and conducted by Adama Mara. Madison : African Studies Program, University of Wisconsin-Madison, 1996. Ogbaa, Kalu. Gods, Oracles and Divination: Folkways Trenton, N.J. : Africa World Press, 1992. Skinner, Stephen: Terrestrial Astrology: Divination by Geomancy 1980 This is the only complete history in English of the art of divination by earth or sand, which is so called from the Arabs' tendency to make the marks in sand. The author draws on material from Latin, French, German & Arabic sources, shows the influence of Islamic geomancy in Africa as well as Medieval & Renaissance Europe. He also examines its use in the occult & astrological revival of the 19th century, followed by its declining influence. He gives explanations on the practice, manipulation, and generation of geomantic figures with examples & interpretations. -Eoghan Tata Nganga Nsasi Endoqui Malongo Quimbisa From sentto-1040416-500-968535445-nagasiva=luckymojo.com@returns.onelist.com Sat Sep 9 14:37:28 2000 Return-Path: sentto-1040416-500-968535445-nagasiva=luckymojo.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from mq.egroups.com (mq.egroups.com [208.50.144.79]) by prop.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA13432 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:37:28 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-1040416-500-968535445-nagasiva=luckymojo.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.37] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2000 21:37:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 4074 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2000 21:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Sep 2000 21:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO marine.sonic.net) (208.201.224.37) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Sep 2000 21:37:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 7734 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2000 21:37:24 -0000 Received: from prop.sonic.net (208.201.224.193) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 2000 21:37:24 -0000 Received: from 209.204.136.248 (e204.nas22.sonic.net [209.204.142.204]) by prop.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA13274 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:37:23 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <39BAAEC3.6BFE@luckymojo.com> Organization: Lucky Mojo Curio Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.lucky.w Cc: sacredlandscapelist@egroups.com From: catherine yronwode MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list sacredlandscapelist@egroups.com; contact sacredlandscapelist-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list sacredlandscapelist@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 13:42:26 -0800 Reply-To: sacredlandscapelist@egroups.com Subject: [sacredlandscapelist] African Divination systems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO Forwarded by cat -- From: Eoghan Ballard Newsgroups: alt.religion.orisha Subject: Re: Sand divination Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:25:34 -0400 Organization: University of Pennsylvania For those seriously interested in expanding their awareness about the discussion on the origins of various methods of divination in Western and Northern Africa here are a few initial titles that are worth looking at. They by no means cover the full subject. It is an international phenomenon as virtually every system of divination found in West Africa is practiced in various forms by more than one ethnic group. As we are talking about the distribution and history of systems here, I am not including titles focusing on the application of divination systems. That is a different sort of knowledge and one which does not require a concern with or knowledge of the history of the system. Just as one would not turn to these authors for practical tips on divination (which is best learned directly from a teacher and in many systems can only be learned that way), books intended to provide or augment practical skills seldom are good sources for uncovering the history of a particular system. At best they usually describe the traditional understanding of the origins of the system. These have a spiritual truth but are not infrequently historically inaccurate. Bascom, William Russell, Ifa Divination, Communication Between Gods and Men in West Africa Bloomington, Indiana University Press, [1969]. Charmasson, ThÈrËse. Recherches sur une technique divinatoire: la gÈomancie dans l'Occident mÈdiÈval. GenËve : Droz ; Paris : H. Champion, 1980. Danfulani, Umar Habila Dadem. Pebbles and Deities: Pa Divination Among the Ngas, Mupun, and Mwaghavul in Nigeria New York : P. Lang, c1995. Diarra, Nyamaton. The Artfulness of M'Fa Jigi: an Interview with Nyamaton Diarra translated, edited and with an introduction by Sarah Brett-Smith; recorded and conducted by Adama Mara. Madison : African Studies Program, University of Wisconsin-Madison, 1996. Ogbaa, Kalu. Gods, Oracles and Divination: Folkways Trenton, N.J. : Africa World Press, 1992. Skinner, Stephen: Terrestrial Astrology: Divination by Geomancy 1980 This is the only complete history in English of the art of divination by earth or sand, which is so called from the Arabs' tendency to make the marks in sand. The author draws on material from Latin, French, German & Arabic sources, shows the influence of Islamic geomancy in Africa as well as Medieval & Renaissance Europe. He also examines its use in the occult & astrological revival of the 19th century, followed by its declining influence. He gives explanations on the practice, manipulation, and generation of geomantic figures with examples & interpretations. -Eoghan Tata Nganga Nsasi Endoqui Malongo Quimbisa