Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.divination,alt.magick Subject: Re: Numerology (from a Gematria discussion elsewhere) References: From: Seyfert-1 Reply-To: spam@yronwode.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 80 Message-ID: <4zFd9.18823$Ik.466286@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:34:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1031218496 208.201.242.18 (Thu, 05 Sep 2002 02:34:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 02:34:56 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:34521 alt.divination:20372 alt.magick:316418 50020905 VII om (going on 7 years; I notice a peculiarity in my dating) Taliszanna : > ... base 9 rotation system (a=1, i=9, j=1).... > ... straightforward valuation system (A=1, Z=26).... > ... yet another system, according to this site - > http://choccult.8m.com/gematria.htm : >... > 1) which number do I go by -- 3 or 7 which I scored twice? go with the system you see as more elegant and necessary. this will yield a 3 or 7 or something else. > and 2) what are the meanings of 3 and 7? the true issue in a numerological study. the best system of numerology is one you devise yourself. the referents ought reside in a system conducive to your objectives and character. it helps to have some familiarity with mathemetics and number theory, perhaps even set theory, but these are not necessary. a beginning of an answer to your question here is to point out the various qualities typically ascribed to these odd numbers. see if there are any commonalities in the systems of your study, consider how well they reflect your own thinking on the subject of number-character, and whether they seem arbitrary (numerology may not be for you, it may *all* seem arbitrary -- it might just *be* all arbitrary ;>). > Unfortunately, every numerology book I have read gives a > different message for a given number. then you're not looking very hard. there are some traditions of number-meaning assignment, including those which may be found within symbolism dictionaries and encyclopaedia. > If anyone out there has a book whose theories for each number > appear to be correct, LOL! there is no Correct Book of Shadows. it is a variable suited particularly for the adept and reflector. cultural trends have enshrined certain assignments as sacrosanct or truthful, but only those which are vague and delve so deeply into culture as to lose the aspirant in the detritus of outworn concepts have power to initiate and reveal the mysteries (as an example I'd recommend text such as Crowley's "Book of Thoth" as beautiful, even if it has no power for you for practical purposes). > I wouldn't mind knowing what 7 and 3 are if you ever find out what *you* think they are, post it here. I enjoyed naming the numbers at one point in my studies, giving them noun-names and sigils (e.g. 5 is "Bios" and symbolizes living and growing process). occasionally I'll run across someone who has done likewise and our assignments may overlap! it can be exciting. mostly, however, the Magus accepts that hir system and work will be unique and unobserved by the mass, so never revealed as "correct" on account of its lack of popular support. the problem with the One True Divination Tool is that divination doesn't have to work that way. tools can be fudged and still be effective for what *I* want to use them (reflection on my own condition and orientation to present circumstance, magic, communication devices). > and what your thoughts are on the systems used above: is one > more correct than the other and is there a point to English > numerology when it originated in the Middle East? those aren't systems of numerology proper. they are numero- linguistic value-assignment systems. in order to delve into numerology you'd have to begin describing meanings to the numbers at least from 1-9, possibly 0 and 10 as well. there are many good systems of numerology. if someone has a bias about what works best, we'll have to find out what they mean by "works" and compare and contrast perceptions of the real in order to determine if the numbers reflect it. Seyfert-1 nagasiva@luckymojo.com