Newsgroups: alt.tarot,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick Path: Supernews!supernews.com!news.IAEhv.nl!news1.netusa.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!azoth From: azoth@netcom.com (Az0th) Subject: Re: Emblems/Symbols, Meditation/Reading and Case-workers (was Re: Plotinus, evil, ....) Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.tarot,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick Organization: Idoigo, Ltd. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <5lfgta$ghj@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <5lvouo$amg@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <5m2e07$jv8@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <3385B600.3B16@eden.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 21:20:06 GMT Lines: 22 Sender: azoth@netcom.netcom.com Xref: Supernews alt.tarot:20180 alt.magick.tyagi:12318 alt.magick:102330 I heard J. Karlin (r3winter@eden.com) say: : Just because the symbols of tarot can be explained in text does : not make tarot a set of 'emblems'. That's not the kind of textual : relationship to image that emblems had. Clearly. The relationship, as R Brzustowicz concluded in a subsequent post, is one of complementarity, as the text and image are one thing and not two, at least in the interpretive sense we're discussing. IOW, the relationship between Crowley's Thoth deck and book isn't that the images 'can be explained' in the text, but that they _are_ explained, by _that_ text, as specific symbolic elements are described and elaborated. He was in the privileged position of knowing exactly what he meant, and from our position as post facto interpreters of Thoth, we have little practical choice but to deal with image and text as a coherent whole. Thoth is a perfect, but not the only, example of this noteworthy variety of 'coherent whole' WRT tarot decks and documents. Az0th