Path: Supernews70!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.tarot,alt.divination Subject: BHeidrick: Tarot History and Revisionism Date: 7 Jan 1998 21:37:36 -0800 Organization: Access Internet Communications, Inc. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <691on0$59b$1@shell.accesscom.com> Reply-To: heidrick@WELL.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: 12465@205.226.156.10 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: Supernews70 alt.magick.tyagi:14643 alt.magick:122071 alt.tarot:25394 alt.divination:13719 [from thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org: Bill Heidrick ] 93, Martijn Benders wrote: >Bill Heidrick wrote: > >> Frieda Harris was not 100% amenable to Crowley's ideas. She also put >> a >> water bug on the Moon Atu, where Crowley insisted on a Scarab. She >> evidently felt that ABRACADABRA was better and that the Moon was more >> watery than solar. >Yet this leaves open one question. I believe that with modern-day >technology it would be quite easy to >"change the cards for the better".......yet this is ofcourse a hard >topic to tackle because it involves moderating the work of an >artist........quite undesirable, to say the least ( imagine changing >Kandinskyie's paintings because their colour schemes don't fit those of >the tree of life)...... Changing the art to that extent would be an atrocity, in my opinion. I still haven't reconciled to the changes Albano made in the Waite deck. There have been alterations in some editions of the Thoth Deck, notably a change of attributions printing on the bottom of the cards in at least one European edition. Nothing very major in that, the symbols were reversed left to right on two or three cards. In the first color edition, mid 1970's e.v., the Ace of Disks was printed upside down in the frame. The number in the middle came out as "999". >yet on the other hand if a writer makes certain technical mistakes I >think a publisher should have the right to alter his work. Depends on the mistakes, and it's the owner, not the publisher, who would have to make that decision. Typo's in text are one thing. An alteration in the balanced composition of a graphic artist is a very different thing. The deck is not only Crowley's. It's Frieda's hand that did the images that are so popular, not Crowley's. When I composed Crowley's notes for the Greek Qabalah, I retained note of the math errors. In that case, it was important to see what mistakes Crowley may have included in subsequent writings and ideas. What's next with Thoth? Painting out the buttocks and prick on the Devil Atu? Once you start something like this, where does it end? 93 93/93 Bill ____________...oooOOO---thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org---OOOooo..._____________ To subscribe send: 'subscribe thelema93-l' to majordomo@hollyfeld.org To unsubscribe send: 'unsubscribe thelema93-l' to majordomo@hollyfeld.org http://www.hollyfeld.org/heaven -- (emailed replies may be posted); http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi; 408/2-666-SLUG join the esoteric syncretism in alt.magick.tyagi; http://www.abyss.com/tokus -- (emailed replies may be posted); http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi; 408/2-666-SLUG join the esoteric syncretism in alt.magick.tyagi; http://www.abyss.com/tokus Path: Supernews70!Supernews60!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.best.com!noos.hooked.net!news.well.com!not-for-mail From: heidrick@well.com (Bill Heidrick) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.tarot,alt.divination Subject: Re: BHeidrick: Tarot History and Revisionism Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 15:20:05 GMT Organization: Whole Earth Networks News Lines: 21 Message-ID: <692rfn$13t$3@was.hooked.net> References: <691on0$59b$1@shell.accesscom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: spain-18.ppp.hooked.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.71 Xref: Supernews70 alt.magick.tyagi:14658 alt.magick:122117 alt.tarot:25409 alt.divination:13722 93, joshua geller wrote: >tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) writes: >> Changing the art to that extent would be an atrocity, in my opinion. I >> still haven't reconciled to the changes Albano made in the Waite deck. >peter albano made changes in the waite deck? Not the old Albano of the Heptameron, some fellow who altered the Rider Pack to include some of Case's colors plus a couple of graphics changes around 1970 e.v. Do'n straight man these days, Josh? 93 93/93 Bill