Path: news.bjt.net!not-for-mail From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.tarot,alt.divination,alt.magick,alt.occult,talk.religion.newage,talk.religion.misc,alt.history Subject: Occult Tarot Histroy REF (was alt.tarot FAQ) Date: 6 Sep 1997 13:16:24 -0700 Organization: Bay Junction Technology, Inc. Lines: 155 Sender: tyagi@news.bjt.net Message-ID: <5usdmo$q8f@bay1.bjt.net> References: <33D244FD.3A20@eden.com> Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) NNTP-Posting-Host: bay1.bjt.net X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: news.bjt.net alt.magick.tyagi:1010 alt.tarot:1324 alt.divination:1331 alt.magick:6678 [technical difficulties enforced delay -- apologies for outdatedness] 49970728 aa2 Hail Satan! isolating the individuals of the history of OCCULT tarot from the 'FAQ' put forward by "J. Karlin" totalling 1200+ lines: # Frequently Asked Questions about Tarot and alt.tarot # Written by Jess Karlin.... # Last revision: 4 December 1996 this post terminates in a summary restatement of time periods and individuals important to occult tarot tradition, along with books and decks for which they are known, if they are listed or if I knew them, and their known contribution. all modern authors/deck-makers listed in this 'FAQ' omitted. please contribute corrections/additions and cc me via email. # ...One of the first questions a novice will ask is 'where did tarot # come from'.... and here I am instead asking 'who may we associate with tarot as a divinatory and occult device as far as design and technique in its practical occult origins?' # ...no one can reasonably speculate about what the people who used tarot # in the beginning (or prior to 1781) either thought about it, nor how # they may have used it, in addition to gaming. # This has been a time-honored tradition in tarot since 1781, when Court # de Gebelin first looked down at tarot cards and, in a revelation... # immediately intuited (manufactured?) that the cards were the lost # leaves of the Egyptian 'Book of Thoth', containing the secret and # 'universal' wisdom of the ages.... # Almost everyone since 1781 has based at least some part of # their tarot shtik on de Gebelin's 'work'.... an apparently fallacious history constructed by de Gebelin. still no substantive occult/divinatory origins identified beyond him. # ...long time ago ... France... Etteilla ...card readings # with ...a 'piquet' deck (32 cards, plus, for purposes of # reading, a blank card, called the 'Etteilla').... who made Alliette's deck? # ...Eliphas Levi [made] drawings of only a couple of cards that were # ...very influential) # ...Eliphas Levi (French 19th-century occultist) is the person # principally responsible for making [the] link [between tarot and # kabbala] stick as the primary symbolic model by which modern tarot # would be interpreted and developed.... shaper of how tarot is seen/used/designed. valuable influence, yes. # [A.E.] Waite ...1910 .... Golden Dawn symbolism, # ...Papus # ...Papus was the last 'great link' in the chain of French occult tarot # evolution that had begun with Court de Gebelin. Papus was a student # of Levi, a great influence on Waite.... mention of a qabalist (though you don't mention other name(s) by which he is sometimes known like Gerard Encausse). # ...Crowley, Waite and Case.... Paul Foster Case Case mentioned ("for the occult stuff") in book recommendations. OCCULT TAROT HISTORICAL SUMMARY [constructed in reflection of this file and Haus library] ___________________________________________________________________ born-dcsd name (aka), _publication_, pub. date; deck:name ----------------------------------------------------------- 1728-1784 Antoine Court de Gebelin; _Primitive World_, 1781 c1750-1810 Alliette (Etteilla); _Maniere de se recreer avec le jeu de carte nomme les tarots_, 1783 _Collection sur les Hautes Sciences_, 1780 Deck: 'Piquet' -- unknown artist 1816-1875 Eliphas Levi (Alphonse Louis Constant; _Dogme et Rituel de la Haute Magie_, 1854; (later re-issued as translated by A.E. Waite: _Transcendental Magic: It's Doctrine and Ritual_) _Histoire de la Magie_, 1860; (as before, later re-issued as translated by A.E. Waite: _History of Magic_) 1860-1897 Stanislaus de Guaita (pupil/artist: Oswald Wirth); _Serpent of Genesis_, 1902 1865-1917 Gerard Encausse (Papus); _The Tarot of the Bohemians_, 1889 _Le Tarot Divinatoire: Clef du tirage de cartes et des sortes_, 1909 . 1887-now Golden Dawn (various; Regardie); _Book T_, within _The Golden Dawn_, ed. Regardie, 1937-40 Deck: 'Golden Dawn' -- various ????????? Arthur Edward Waite; _A Pictorial Key to the Tarot_, 1910 Deck: 'Rider-Waite' -- Pamela Smith/Waite 1844-1954 Paul Foster Case; _The Tarot: A Key to the Wisdom of the Ages_, 1929. Deck: 'BOTA' -- Case/?? 1875-1947 Aleister Crowley; _The Book of Thoth_, 1944. Deck: 'Thoth' -- Crowley/Lady Frieda Harris ????????? Mouni Sadhu; _The Tarot: A Contemporary Course on the Quintessence of Hermetic Occultism_, 1962. ----------------------------------------------------------------- others? corrections? challenges to this list? tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) -- (emailed replies may be posted);join the AMT syncretism!!;call: 408/2-666-SLUG! see http://www.abyss.com/tokus; "Clement of Rome taught that God rules the world with a right and a left hand, the right being Christ, the left Satan." - CGJung