Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe01.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3DC2951F.7F69@dmcom.net> From: bard@dmcom.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,alt.magick,alt.tarot,alt.divination Subject: Re: Tarot Card Deck Number (was 78...?) References: <3DBC55B7.372E@dmcom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:45:19 EST Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:52:15 -0500 Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:35067 alt.pagan.magick:34431 alt.magick:323141 alt.tarot:112296 alt.divination:20665 nagasiva wrote: > > wasn't the historical game of Tarocci always 78 cards? if not, > could you break down the history somewhat as to how and when > the number varied, or point to some website that does beyond > those already suggested? thanks. Well I recalled a website indicating the number of trumps did change so far I have found one deck recorded. http://www.tarothermit.com/siciliano.htm "Tarot and Minchiate were both introduced to Sicily in 1663, probably by way of Rome. The original designs were probably of Florentine origin, although some alterations were made early on. There is a trump card lower than the Bagatto, titled Miseria or Poverta, meaning poverty. It shows a beggar in rags holding out a bowl or box. In later decks, he is chained to a large block. The Fool is called il Fuggativo, the fugative. The Papess is gone, and the Pope is replaced by the virtue of Constancy, shown with shield and banner. The Angel is replaced by Jove. In the 18th century, a Sicilian noblewoman instigated the alteration of two offensive cards, the Devil and the Devil's House. They now depict a ship (borrowed from the Minchiate Water card) and a simple Tower, without the distressing fire and lightning usually associated with it." "The Tarocco Siciliano, like the Tarocco Bolognese, is a reduced pack, with lower pip cards of each suit omitted. In the Tarocco Siciliano, the omitted cards are the ace through 4 of staves, cups, and swords, and the 2 and 3 of coins. The ace of coins was added in the 19th century to provide a place for tax stamps, and is not needed to play the Sicilian form of the game of tarot. Thus 63 cards are used. This peculiar number results from the fact that the most popular form of the game in previous centuries was for three players; 63 cards divides evenly by 3." The odd sized (count) decks are though rare to find much about. -- news:alt.pagan FAQ at http://www.dmcom.net/bard/altpag.txt news:alt.religion.wicca FAQ at http://www.dmcom.net/bard/arwfaq2.txt news:news.groups FAQ at http://www.dmcom.net/bard/ngfaq.txt Want a new group FAQs http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/ncreate.html