Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!HSNX.atgi.net!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: axialthrust@yahoo.com (BhP) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.tarot,alt.divination Subject: Re: Tarot and Qabalah (was ...) Date: 4 Apr 2002 11:29:36 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 48 Message-ID: <361f09a8.0204041129.70b7df19@posting.google.com> References: <361f09a8.0203280839.10e134a3@posting.google.com> <361f09a8.0204010846.34f2225f@posting.google.com> <361f09a8.0204031709.2b492fa4@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.129.24.233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1017948576 7886 127.0.0.1 (4 Apr 2002 19:29:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2002 19:29:36 GMT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:32226 alt.magick:296526 alt.tarot:103625 alt.divination:19090 EvilWickedBunny@netscape.net (Sue) wrote > > Do you have any input regarding the representation of Da'ath in tarot? ...What representation of Da'ath? :) Off the top of my head, I only recall Da'ath being referred to in two cards, in the Thoth deck: the High Priestess and the Universe. The HP is the most explicit, if you know what you're looking for that is. She shows the expanding web of light, the undifferentiated energy passing through Da'ath and becoming distinct, defined, through her influence. I vaguely recall a good description in Crowley's Thoth book and in the Qabalistic Tarot (Wang), but it's been a while since I read either. In the Universe, the babe in the abyss is shown, making the sign of silence. This is only an indirect reference to Da'ath, in that it has to do with the essence of the babe rather than the abyss itself. On the other hand, the path of the Universe somewhat parallels a path through Da'ath, so maybe the reference isn't so indirect after all. One thing you might be interested in, though this is a bit of a tangent - some qabalists use a model of creation where before 'the fall', Malkuth was where Da'ath is now. When humans acquired knowledge, Malkuth dropped to its current position and the veil of Da'ath came into existence. So the babe in the abyss shown in the Universe card can be seen somewhat as an experience of Malkuth before or during 'the fall'. The path of the Universe is an awakening from ignorance into knowledge. This is seen as a step up, an evolution from unconsciousness to consciousness, but in a weird way there is no difference between the unconsciousness of the sleepers or robots or walking dead or domesticated primates (take your pick of descriptions...) and the unconsciousness of "adam and eve" or Adam Kadmon before the fall. The one is the ten, Malkuth is Kether, all that fun stuff. The real difference is that the walking dead are disconnected from divinity and Adam Kadmon is one with the divine, but as far as ignorance goes, both are unaware of anything beyond their sphere of existance (pun intended? maybe). So there's another indirect instance of Da'ath. In general, I don't think Da'ath really is represented in the tarot. But this 'makes sense' qabalistically, as Da'ath isn't a 'real' sephirot. It's there, but it's not really there. It's a veil rather than a distinct location (experience). It wouldn't make sense for someone to draw the "Da'ath card". What do you think? Do you see Da'ath represented in other cards, or other decks?