To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.tarot,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick,alt.divination Subject: Alliette and Tarot de Marseille From: nagasiva Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:00:19 GMT Orig-To: tarotl@yahoogroups.com 50031123 chaos day -- the Etteilla deck is extremely amusing. ============================================================= MARSEILLE vs. ALLIETTE'S CARDS AND ATTRIBUTES (1785) 1700s IMAGES ## -- ## (Name, -------- Inverse) ZODIACAL SIGN ------------------------------------------------------------- MOUNTEBANK I -- 15 (Illness, Illness) -- PAPESS II -- 8 (Etteilla, Female Querent) SCORPIO EMPRESS III -- 6 (Night, Day) VIRGO EMPEROR IV -- 7 (Support, Protection) LIBRA POPE V -- 1 (Etteilla, Male Querent) ARIES LOVERS VI -- 13 (Marriage, Union) -- CHARIOT VII -- 21 (Dissension, Dissension) -- JUSTICE VIII -- 9 (Justice, Jurist) AQUARIUS HERMIT IX -- 18 (Traitor, Traitor) -- WHEEL X -- 20 (Fortune, Increase) -- STRENGTH XI -- 11 (Strength, Monarch) SAGITTARIUS TRAITOR XII -- 12 (Prudence, The People) PISCES DEATH XIII -- 17 (Mortality, Nothingness) -- TEMPERANCE XIV -- 10 (Temperance, Priest) CAPRICORN DEVIL XV -- 14 (Great Force, Great Force) -- TOWER XVI -- 19 (Misery, Prison) -- STAR XVII -- 4 (Desolation, Air) CANCER MOON XVIII -- 3 (Comments, Water) GEMINI SUN XIX -- 2 (Enlightenment, Fire) TAURUS JUDGMENT XX -- 16 (Judgment, Judgment) -- WORLD XXI -- 5 (Voyage, Earth) LEO FOOL none -- 78 (Folly, Folly) -- ------------------------------------------------------------- "The Influence of Etteilla and His School on Mathers & Waite" Appendix C - Correspondences Between the Trumps of Etteilla's Tarot and Those of the Tarot de Marseille", by James W. Revak on the world-wide web http://www.villarevak.org/emw/emw_b.htm using the Decker & Dummett +Kaplan column, rather than Papus. ============================================================= again, the most compelling thing about this comparison is the two areas of resonances: A) card character semblances: 9, 10, 11, 13, 16, 17, 20, and 78; ------------------------------------------------------------- Etteilla's Trumps' Resonance With the Tarot de Marseille Deck ------------------------------------------------------------- 9 (Justice, Jurist) -- AQUARIUS JUSTICE VIII 10 (Temperance, Priest) -- CAPRICORN TEMPERANCE XIV 11 (Strength, Monarch) -- SAGITTARIUS STRENGTH XI 13 (Marriage, Union) -- LOVERS VI 16 (Judgment, Judgment) -- JUDGMENT XX 17 (Mortality, Nothingness) -- DEATH XIII 20 (Fortune, Increase) -- WHEEL X 78 (Folly, Folly) -- FOOL none ------------------------------------------------------------- B) the Hanged Man / Traitor / Hermit / Prudence entanglement: ------------------------------------------------------------- ## (Etteilla Card, Inverse) -- Zodiac Attr. Marseille ## ------------------------------------------------------------- 12 (Prudence, The People) -- PISCES TRAITOR XII PRUDENCE is another name for Hermit (IX) 18 (Traitor, Traitor) -- HERMIT IX TRAITOR is another name for Hanged Man (XII) ------------------------------------------------------------- 11/23/2003 chaos day -- nagasiva -- corrections very welcome.