Path: typhoon.sonic.net!newsfeed2.skycache.com!Cidera!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!209.81.14.120!feeder.via.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.alsv1.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Gnomedplume@aol.com (Gnome d Plume) Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi Subject: Re: Westcott and Blavatsky (was Alexandrian vs. Gardnerian) Organization: O.T.A. Message-ID: <39be7434.2290788@news> References: <39BC86B5.9054143B@bigfoot.com> <20000911115508.15518.00000029@ng-cc1.aol.com> <39BD4B85.CE9E20F@bigfoot.com> <39bd7d78.16264621@news> <39BD90B8.1258@luckymojo.com> <39bda19c.611413@news> <39BDB2FB.6962@luckymojo.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 57 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:12:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.19.246.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.alsv1.occa.home.com 968782377 24.19.246.93 (Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:12:57 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:12:57 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:209988 alt.magick.tyagi:25148 On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:30:39 GMT, catherine yronwode wrote: >Gnome d Plume wrote: >> >> On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 02:04:23 GMT, catherine yronwode >> wrote: >> >> >Gnome d Plume wrote: >> >> >> >> Westcott tried for a bare minimum founder's myth when he >> >> glossed Alexandrina Mackenzie as Fraulein Sprengle in the G.D. >> >> "founder's myth." >> > >> > ...but made a laughingstock of himself thereby, at least to later >> > generations. > >> ... don't be too hard on poor old Wynn Westcott. H. P. >> Blavatsky ("Blivitsky") virtually forced the G.D. into this >> position. The original G.D. founders were all members of her inner >> circle. She coerced them into signing a joint affirmation that they >> (the G.D.) and the Theosophical Society were both following >> supernatural extra mundane leadership. She had incredible power and >> influence over occultism which still obtains to this day >> (she coined the term, btw) -- and yet she was exposed as a fraud >> several times. > >This is a story i have never before run across. Can you tell me where it >comes from? > >I don't doubt HPB's power among her peers at that time (we previously >mentioned it in regard to how her animosity against P.B. Randolph >posthumously turned him into a occultist "non-person" for almost a >century). I also understand what seems to have been her desire to force >her fellow occultists into a secret alliance that would bolster public >acceptance of her own otherwordly "secret masters." > >In other words, i can see that she had both the motive and the >opportunity -- but i would still like a source for this story. > >cat yronwode > *****Cat: Source is *The Golden Dawn and the Esoteric Section*, a pamphlet by Robert A. Gilbert, Theosophical History Center, London 1987 -- but you'll find this reviewed in our book *Secrets of the Golden Dawn Cypher Manuscript* which will be re-printed in the next few weeks. (Please, no orders until we announce the release.)**** Good Magick! Gnome d Plume Visit us at: http://members.aol.com/CHSOTA/welcome.html