Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick Subject: Re: Vision of the Holy Guardian Angel References: From: 333 Reply-To: spam@yronwode.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 49 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:22:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1031221328 208.201.242.18 (Thu, 05 Sep 2002 03:22:08 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 03:22:08 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:34525 alt.magick:316426 alt.pagan.magick:33931 50020905 VIIom "Joe Cosby" : >>>> ...I think he, and I think you, are more comfortable dealing with >>>> the guardian angel as an experience of transpersonal psychology, >>>> and not as an 'Other'. 333: >> most are, it seems less real and intense that way. the reality and >> intensity can be frightening, or even unbalancing, and lead places >> for which the initiate is unprepared. "Asiya" : >>> ...I think you mean when thinking about the concept, rather than >>> when actually "dealing" with the HGA. 333: >> thought is an aspect of experience. those denying emotion may think >> in order to encounter the experiential element. abstracting from >> direct encounter makes possible a variety of response. "Asiya" : >I'm not sure what you mean, as far as how it applies specifically to >this. I don't have the confidence that the figments and splinters of character that come through usenet forums are sufficient to resolve these matters. better taken to private email and handled offline. if you agree with the assessment that you prefer thinking and transpersonal psychology (implying, apparently, that you or someone like you may find an encounter with the HGA in abstract and disconnected forms beneficial), then my reflections above and below may be helpful. if you're convinced that a personal HGA is the most or least powerful, then my words may sound tame by contrast (because they relativize the experience to the character of the mage). >Can you elaborate? all I was saying was that sometimes personal interactions are not conducive to continued psychological integrity, for example, or for resonance with an established, rigidified, and nonpersonalized cosmological structure (for which such a personal interaction would prove unsettling or, indeed, completely unhinging). it does not make either personal or impersonal experiences of the HGA more valuable. the 'career' of the magician and its trajectory will be more like to determine these things. 333