Path: typhoon.sonic.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <394BB8D8.60C0@sympatico.ca> From: richard sprigg Reply-To: kteis@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.pagan.magick Subject: Re: Hermetic Charlatanry and 'Scientific Illuminism' (was Subjectivity and Magic...) References: <8huq6a$6vk@bolt.sonic.net> <8i2cf4$hrm@bolt.sonic.net> <8i3blt$h27$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39454ad2.10143359@news> <8i6clj$u4u@bolt.sonic.net> <39470950.6562@sympatico.ca> <8idog7$tj1@bolt.sonic.net> <394AFB0A.5F85@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:41:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.206.99 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 961263706 206.172.206.99 (Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:41:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:41:46 EDT Organization: Sympatico Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:23723 alt.magick:198379 alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic:24122 alt.pagan.magick:22788 jake wrote: > > In article <394AFB0A.5F85@sympatico.ca>, richard sprigg > writes > >Liber AL, despite the bizarre, (and hopefully doomed) attempts to turn > >it into a religion, is *not* a religion. > >Crowley does point this out a couple times in his work, sadly nobody > >wants to listen. He anticipated this as well, but I doubt it pleased him > >to be correct. > > just out of interest, there is no word for 'Religion' in Ancient > Egyptian either, what we mistake for their religion are various > manifestations of Heka (meaning: Magical Power, Truth, anything but > 'religion'). Despite this there are of course books and articles etc. > about the 'Religion' of Ancient Egypt. What this means is Western > thought processes (rather than those of some Thelemites only) have a > parochial, self-referential way of looking at things - conditioned by > our own language and cultural expectations. No disagreement there; the context of my remarks was, of course specific to thelema, but could be expanded to any number of religions. One of the major problems with Egypt is that much of the source material is strongly influenced by the Hellenistic influences; these, of course had a view of "divinity" much similar to our own. Added to this, archeologists tend to see what they look for, and the transformation is complete. > > ALways > JSK. > > The Gnostic Alchemical Church of Typhon-Christ > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/7770/ > > Ye Olde Goat's Shoppe > http://www.thelema.net/OldeGoat/ > > All events and institutions other than those > portrayed in this Journal are fictitious