Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!sjc1.usenetserver.com!atl-c02.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 From: "Erich" Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.religion.wicca,alt.witchcraft,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: Unreliable Wiccan Sources Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:03:19 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-785.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:47753 alt.magick:378933 alt.religion.wicca:856956 alt.witchcraft:72346 alt.fan.harry-potter:243655 *I don't get alt.thelema; cut from the header* "The Cunning Linguist :Þ" wrote in message news:WUwHc.2298$5a5.144@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message > news:cckoh4$qpv$8$830fa79d@news.demon.co.uk... > | Surely this should be the shortest thread in existence, because ALL > | wiccan sources are totally unreliable. > > No, Gardner's wrote the book on what we now know as Wicca so his books are > reliable No, I'm with NP and 333 ATW here, and that's a miracle in and of itself. Gardner's Wicca was a skew hack-job of G.'.D.'. Enochian and Thelema (& G.'.D.'. Enochian is a hack-job of the original; the original wasn't interpreted, by my estimation, correctly by Dee or Kelley in the first place). The Wicca "Watchtowers" without the Keys in Sloane MS. 3191 is tragic and at the same time hilarious. Without Kabbalah and Enochian, Wicca is meaningless. True there's some elements of sex magick in Wicca via Gardner's brief run-in with Crowley, but there's no 'exit strategy' to GODHEAD and is entirely desire-based, in one guise and/or fashion or another. Over the years Rosicrucianism crept into Wicca by virtue of its not being taken seriously by those who knew better, but Gardner's Wicca? Serious dogma; seriously off the mark ala Beast and Babalon.