Path: typhoon.sonic.net!pants.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lemmingnot@aol.com (Lemmingnot) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi Subject: Re: Kali's Symbolism (was Re: Spells, Magic, Hoodoo and Vodoun ...) Lines: 66 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Mar 2000 09:46:59 GMT References: <38BF9907.6EFF6CAF@ozemail.com.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000307044659.19314.00002171@nso-fk.aol.com> Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:21917 >>cf. thrilling at daily news, explosions and murders in media. quickly- >distintegrating phenomenal systems are very compelling to human beings.< > >Yes . Such behaviur is obviuos and probably explicable . My question was more >about assertions I have encontered from practitonors who claim that rituals >they >perform are specificly designed to INCREASE the amount of entropic >disintegration >occuring on this and other levels. These immature psychic tantrums puzzle me. Disintegration is necessary for evolution of the world and for us as individuals in order to progress and evolve. Many authors such as Christopher Hyatt and Nema advocate such actions as the necessary factor in growing. Hyatt, (a reknown chaos magickian) describes this in his book, "The Psychopath's Bible." He ascertains that if we were to grant everybody what they wanted, then the masses would fail to continue searching and evolving. They would eventually disintegrate and be replaced by others (or a more evolved mankind) attuned to the changes of the world. We must all understand that we are going to die, and are nothing more than the history of future generations. Either make a mark, or become one of the masses. According to Nema, in order to attain knowledge of one's true self, we must peel back the layers of our beings in order to find our true selves. Once reaching the core of "us," we find that there is nothing. We are nothing more than a conduit of the energy of the eternal supreme God. This is called the abyss. You can find further Nema thoughts in her book, "Ma'at Magick." Enmtropic disintegration only furthers the evolution of our species, as well as our planet. I find the phrase "immatue psychic tantrums" to be totally offensive and insulting. But it does reflect the thoughts of some who feel self righteous in their own views.Be open to the views of others and you may find yourself evolving. > >>I see no reason to think Shakti (power) is more likely to create than >destroy, why would you maintain the opposite?< Creation can only come about as a result of destruction...a destruction of old beliefs that need new ones to take their place in the annihiliation of the past. The horse and carriage was a fine mode of transportation, but new ideas (creativity) led to other ways of travel. Which came first, the need for creativity in new areas of travel, or the destruction of the old views that horse and buggy would satisfy our needs? Both creative growth and destruction are necessary for evolution.. >>I recal a post of jiivanaMahaamanas/ et. al...... in which he described a darshan with Shiva. >Even though he impressed me as totaly sincere in the telling of it, I found >myself thinking "He's been on the L.S.D." Even I can be sceptical. Then be skeptical of lots of authors of magickal and self-fulfilling texts. Crowley and Castanedas come to mind first, but many involved in spiritual evolution have used LSD to gain access to areas of the brain otherwise unobtainable. Do you also doubt the Native Americans that sought enlightenment with the help of peyote? > Always Laura