Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.wwa.com!lurking From: lurking@wwa.com (Eris) Newsgroups: alt.magick Subject: Re: LSD-25 and magick Date: 6 Dec 1995 16:19:18 GMT Organization: WorldWide Access - Chicago Area Internet Services Lines: 56 Message-ID: <4a4fq6$pgc@kirin.wwa.com> References: <05DEC95.23401880.0131@MUSICB.MARIST.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: miso.wwa.com Downes, Nathaniel S. (KV2F@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU) wrote: : In article lint@omni.voicenet.com (Lint) writes: : > I was wondering if anyone out there has done any research on the use of : >LSD and the enlightenment of magick and how the two might be connected or : >how one could enhance the use of the other. I know Timothy Leary and shit : >already did extensive research on the psychology of LSD use and how it can : >be used as an ego destroyer. It, as well a magick, destroys the old self : >so that a new self can be born, an enlightened self. : > : > Anyone willing to discuss this topic with me?? : > : >Thanx. : > : >Peace, : >Lint : >. : >. : LSD interferes with magick. Magick is the power of will, but LSD harms : the will, and the more you use LSD the less and less magick you can : achieve. This is in accordance to a study I performed this summer with : 3 circles. Out of the LSD users, none had their magickal potential grow : while out of the control group their magick potential grew steadily. : Down This means nothing. What was the set? What was the setting? What was the psychological profile of the control group? Of the group to whom LSD- 25 was given? Are you sure it was LSD-_25_? Where did you get the LSD-25? Was it a reputable source? Was it pure? How many people were in each of the three circles? Are you qualified to perform this kind of experiment? How can you draw the conclusion "LSD interferes with magick" from ONE study? What is your basis for the statement, "the more you use LSD, the less magick you can achieve"? What exactly does that mean? How do you know that magick is "the power of will"? Why do you define it as such? How do you know that "LSD harms the will"? Do you have an objective graduated Will indicator that you use in conjunction wtih exactly how many micrograms of LSD-25 are ingested to give you a viable ratio? Do you really know what you are doing? Are you aware of the psychological elements of magick and their extreme divergence from person to person? Or did you come to your conclusions by just "like watching and stuff..." All in all, I must say that your "study" looks to the outside observer as ragged and shoddy at best. You are obviously either very new to the research and experimentation arena (forgivable) or unreservedly stupid and opinionated (unforgivable). Either way, I suggest either giving us DETAILS, or not throwing such a flimsy conclusion around. Anyway, to the rest of you who are actually interested in more serious study of the topic, read _LSD Psychotherapy_ by Stanislav Grof, _Sex and Drugs_ by Robert Anton Wilson, _Promethius Rising_ by Robert Anton Wilson, and _Info Psychology_ by Dr. Timothy Leary. Quite a set of neat books, but you will have to think for yourself and draw your own conclusions from them...sorry about that... ----------xdrgl