From tyagi@bjt.net Sat Nov 16 17:46:09 1996 Return-Path: tyagi@bjt.net Received: from kudonet.com (kudonet.com [165.227.52.1]) by bitsy.hollyfeld.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA21028 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 17:46:03 -0500 Received: by kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA20901; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:38:29 -0800 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:38:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199611162138.NAA20901@kudonet.com> To: tyagi@hollyfeld.org Subject: 9611.drgsmgk.g From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Status: O >Path: kudonet.com!news.scruz.net!noos.hooked.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!news.idt.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.pitt.edu!scramble.lm.com!bosconian.lm.com!not-for-mail >From: gruxby@telerama.lm.com (Gruxby) >Newsgroups: alt.magick,rec.drugs.cannabis,alt.satanism,talk.politics.drugs >Subject: Re: Drugs and Magick >Followup-To: alt.magick,alt.satanism >Date: 10 Nov 1996 18:49:45 -0500 >Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA >Lines: 66 >Message-ID: <565pmp$ffa@bosconian.lm.com> >References: <55j8hk$eei@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <55tn7l$8ff@tapaboy.ma.ultranet.com> <3284317E.6D2C@ix.netcom.com> <32862EF1.192@flash.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: bosconian.lm.com >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] >Xref: kudonet.com alt.magick:76181 alt.satanism:46074 talk.politics.drugs:85051 > > > > > Drugs DO NOT get you "Willed Manifestation" (Magick). Neither does a candle, or a sword. The props and trappings are to aid thy focus. Read LaVey concerning 'the intellectual decompression chamber.' By the same token, a microscope does not cure polio...but Salk would not have been able to devise the vaccine without a microscope and other scientific tools. > > > > >Drugs may get you high, but YOU are not in control, the drug is. So when you eat a potato, or listen to Beethoven, I suppose YOU are not in control, but the potato or Beethoven is? > > > > >Pharmacology is not Magick. Drugs can't , don't and won't teach you > > > > >anything that you can USE in the REAL WORLD. > > > > >Furthermore, drugs can and probably will damage your ability to do > > > > >Magick. Much of Magick is the ability to acheive different states of consciousness. Try telling a mainstream mental health professional that you can leave your body (dissociative state), see astral objects (hallucination), or communicate with discorporate beings (delusional schizophrenia). As easily as you can argue that drugs *ARE NOT* magick, I can argue that magick *IS NOT* sanity. (note the conceptual problems created by the Aristotelian 'is' of identity.) > > > Your body is a miracle. Drugs only harm it. Marijuana: The only harmful effects are associated with the tar and particles in the smoke, which is why it is harmful to inhale *ANY* smoke, including incense, bonfire, etc. Marijuana can also be eaten in which case it has no harmful physical effects. LSD: The only harmful effects are associated with strichnine contained in street acid, not the LSD itself. Mostly what is available on the street these days is speed anyway, so most people who started later than the early 70's probably never had real LSD. It is also arguable that LSD can aggrivate or hasten psychotic breaks in unstable individuals... these are the same people who mess themselves up psychologically with magick. Unstable individuals should not do drugs OR magick. Psilocybe mushrooms: Never saw a study on their physical effects. Most anti-drug literature completely ignores them. The only bad physical effects I've ever heard anyone mention in connection with mushrooms (commonly called "Magic Mushrooms") are flatulence and occasional vomiting, which are symptoms, not damage. Cocaine: No verifyable physical harm from moderate use that I can find documented, except the occasional heart attack. It is extremely psychologically addictive, however, and consequently has detrimental effect on your financial situation. I've never heard of anyone (except maybe Crowley or Freud) calling cocaine a 'magickal' drug. Heroin, barbiturates, sedatives, etc... does anyone propose that we include these in the class of "magickal drugs?" Most people seem to be talking only about the psychedelics, LSD, Psilocybin, and Marijuana. As I have stated before, drugs are a tool, not a path. If you can't do magick without them, you have as much of a problem as if you can't do magick without an altar, or your special athame. The persian Magi would go out on a hilltop with nothing, and call to the elements. Any adept worthy of calling themself a magician could do the same. -- * Gruxby@telerama.lm.com http://www.lm.com/~gruxby * "Everything we see is inside our own heads." -R. Buckminster Fuller