Path: kudonet.com!kudo20!tyagi From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick Subject: Magick and the Ordinary World (was Re: magick workings: greed... need?) Date: 14 Mar 1997 10:44:06 -0800 Organization: KudoNet On-Line Services Lines: 129 Sender: tyagi@bjt.net Message-ID: References: <857620667.7306@dejanews.com> <5fmu3o$t8q@abyss.West.Sun.COM> <5fnn86$5kt@junkie.gnofn.org> <5fpjr8$fc5@abyss.West.Sun.COM> <5fqjib$ge6@junkie.gnofn.org> Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) NNTP-Posting-Host: kudo20.kudonet.com Xref: kudonet.com alt.magick.tyagi:8860 alt.magick:80047 alt.pagan.magick:2189 49970314 AA1 Hail Satan! gls03@gnofn.org: # ...are you responding to a post in alt.magick on gaining wealth through # magick by saying in effect GET A JOB?! there are a variety of approaches to magick, inclusive of fusing or integrating 'mundane' activities as part of or an expression of the magical act. some equate 'intentional act' *with* magick, so that the relation 'gain wealth' with 'get a job' is rather direct. the real question which should be asked is 'how can I go about getting financial income with the *least* amount of effort?' and, more importantly for this newsgroup, 'how can I do this or improve my chances through the use of spells?' I would suggest that expert magical work involves asking where the need for $ comes from, how important that $ really is, and what else can be done to alleviate the problem internally while simultaneously working on external matters. # Other than healing I wonder if there are any more practical # applications of magick than to attract love and money. there are some other main ones which come to mind: assault/antagonism/revenge, procuring food or any other life-necessity, procuring non-essentials (Crowley uses 'getting a magical book' as an example within _Moonchild_), gaining exposure to occulted information, achieving a different relationship with all/many of people (not just getting sex, but possibly enhancing emotional closeness, or finding a friend or teacher with certain characteristics, moving further *apart*, etc.), orienting to one's circumstances so as to perceive the proper course of action (e.g. in divinations/oracles), communicating with the dead (especially in resolving old relationships, sending the departed further along toward their Perfect End, but also for the purposes of wise reflection or some other quality to which the dead are privvy). # Am I wrong? only slightly. there are POPULAR applications of magick, and these can be describe as: * WHITE - BLESSING/HEALING (GROW/PEACEFUL-GROWTH) * RED - SEX/LOVE/ROMANCE (SUCK/ECSTATIC-ENGAGEMENT) * GREEN - WEALTH/MONEY (GAIN/SECURITY-FULFILLMENT) * BLACK - CURSE/REVENGE/BATTLE (STRIKE/ANGER-RESOLUTION) the most controversial is of course the RED and BLACK above, and I have collected the various spells I've seen in Usenet for years now, available at the following URL: http://www.hollyfeld.org/amgkfaq there are REFs (RED-> FUKSPLS; BLACK-> OWSPLS) which contain these collections. I haven't bothered with the blessing/wealth spells since they can be found in most file caches or pop-magick/witch books. # What's going on here?! depends on what you mean. I presume you mean 'why is the person responding to them with strictly worldly advice when this is a forum ostensibly dedicated to *MAGICK*?!' a very important query if so. I responded slight above as regards the various perspectives on magick within the occult field, yet there are other reasons that people take this tack within the alt.magick.* constellation. in some measure it may be used to cover over the speaker's ignorance about the realm magical to point back to the earthly world for the entirety of power. it may be that the speaker has learned a very limited method of engaging magical acts, and seeks to promote this bias. more often than not it is just some ignorant smart-ass who has nothing to add to the forum except her morality and cynicism. this is exemplified by those who respond to queries about spells to get laid or to get revenge with "that is not ethical" rather than actually contributing a spell in response. if you mean 'why am I the only one who is pointing this out?' then I'd suggest it is in some measure because newbies don't know any better, those with some knowledge and experience either don't care to respond or don't want to make the time, and there is so much noise within the alt.magick.* constellation that seldom are real issues addressed with any candor or completeness. there are regulars such as myself who will prove to be exceptions. you just have to target us and watch for our posts. some newsreaders offer this type of 'selection' and 'kill' to allow a fine-tuning of participation. # I haven't seen anything posted here about this subject until now and # I was afraid to post about it and I guees I should have been! fear at posting is overcome with experience. it is only a step into the public forum with your ego and a challenge to suspend your knowledge and deal with all manner of response. over time you get any number of different kinds of responses and begin to see these less as reflective of your person and more as an indicator of the mesh amongst the players. it is just like game-playing. at first we are hesitant to make moves because we may 'fail' and 'lose'. playing enough we begin to see that failure and loss are PART OF THE GAME ITSELF. # Can anyone tell me how I can use a Ouija board to get lottery numbers? there are usually instructions with the set. you place your hands on the planchette, probably best if you light some incense and/or a candle beforehand and settle yourself in an uninterrupted space, open yourself to the spirits, and ask them to advise you regarding the selection of a lottery #. copy the numbers you get in response or have a friend who is watchful copy them down for you quietly. of course this may turn out to be as effective as dialing a random number on the telephone and asking someone to give numbers. why would the spirits have more insight into the future than anyone else? some suggest that the dead have some connection to the Realm Eternal, though I have not seen evidence for this. experiment with your spirits, ask them questions to which you know the answers and see what responses you receive, screening the applicants to your work before relying on them. tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com nagasiva -- see http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi/nagasiva.html and call: 408/2-666-SLUG!!! ---- (emailed replies may be posted) ---- CC public replies to author ---- * * * Asphalta Cementia Metallica Polymera Coyote La Cucaracha Humana * * *