Path: Supernews!supernews.com!kudonet.com!not-for-mail From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick Subject: Re: Getting started in Magick Date: 16 May 1997 00:39:46 -0700 Organization: KudoNet On-Line Services Lines: 126 Sender: tyagi@bjt.net Message-ID: <5lh302$aeq@kudo20.kudonet.com> References: <19970512235600.TAA26525@ladder01.news.aol.com> <5lcd3j$gpb@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) NNTP-Posting-Host: kudo20.kudonet.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: Supernews alt.magick.tyagi:12105 alt.magick:101511 alt.pagan.magick:3876 49970515 AA1 Hail Satan! my Mystress, oispeggy@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (MARGARET MARY-THERESA BROWN) writes: >I always recommend to beginners: >1.) Magick Without Tears - Crowley >2.) Magick in Theory and Practice - Crowley >3.) ...and most important of all.... 8 Lectures on Yoga - Crowley I agree that these books are very helpful introductions. >Beginner books written since then are mainly derivative of Crowley. such a Kraig's _Modern Magick_? I've never looked at it but I gather if this is what you are talking about you are correct. Bonewits doesn't seem to pattern after Crowley in _Real Magic_. there are others, many of which merely duplicate text on the market by Crowley already. >They generally lack sufficient mention/explanation of Thelemic ideas such as >DWTW. Exploring Thelema is IMO very good for a beginner because it helps >to vaccinate against being influenced by Orders and grand poo-bas. this is not necessarily true. very many "Thelemites" are involved with quite a few Orders (OTO and all its children/cousins, TOT, TGD, AA, etc.). there appear to be almost as many 'Thelemic Orders' as there are 'Thelemites'. >Also, it starts the process of exploring/finding your inner-self. this is true of many books on neuvoreligion (Thelema, Satanism, Chaos, Wicca, etc.). >Item #3 has an excellent set of exercises that help you to master the >basic mental/psychological techniques necessary to doing magick. I did >them regularly for a year or so and still find myself going back to this >book time and time again. this basic yoga one could learn in a hatha yoga class? I don't think I've ever given the 8 Lectures on Yoga a good read, though I've been in several hatha yoga classes. >After you are done with these, buy Donald Michael Kraig's book >_Modern Magick_ (something like that) and start doing the rituals in >there or start doing your own. (I did my own exclusively for 6 years >before learning a few of the commonly used rituals, for the purpose of >doing groupwork.) I've heard mixed reviews on this book. it may depend largely on taste. given what you recommend additionally I don't think we are at all of the same taste (your posts on 'Catholic Magick' or whatever were certainly not to my taste either, but that's another matter :>). >Now you're read to start with the Qabalah, with this much I'm agreed, with the qualifications below. >in this order: > o _The Mystical Qabalah_ Dion Fortune I do not recommend Fortune's books unless they taste good. I am of a discernably non-Judeochristian slant and Fortune's books were icky to me. I should say that I have not yet tried to get past my repulsion and see if I could stomach the book mentioned above after a few gags. > o _A Garden of Pomegranates_ Israel Regardie I agree this is a valuable intro, as is his _Middle Pillar_. I would say that I do not recommend the rites he suggests (LBRP, Qabalistic Cross) unless this type of symbolism appeals to you -- I found them quite repulsive. > o _Qabalistic Symbolism_ Gareth Knight I've never read it. Knight has a good reputation as being somewhat atraditional and 'fringe' (I like that kind of reputation). he may not be very *thick*, however, from other texts of his I've perused somewhat carefully. > o _Meditation and Kaballah_ Areyeh Kaplan my understanding is that Kaplan and Halevi are excellent introductory texts on Kabbalah. Achad and Scholem are also sometimes recommended, though the latter can be fairly dense. it may also be important to get to the roots of modern qabalah tradition by reading somebody's (whose?) overview of Luria and/or doing a good transl. of the Zohar. but you didn't say why you thought that Qabalah studies were valuable for the curriculum of magick. I agree that they are, I just don't think they are absolutely essential except from a traditional standpoint (Hermetica). ANY mystical discipline/system is valuable background/basis for magical studies or practice (Vedanta/Tantra -- yoga; Zen -- zazen; Vajrayana -- yidam; Sufism -- zikr; Taoism, Kaballah, Gnosticism, etc.). from there it largely depends on the true will, whether this Event which Crowley calls 'the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel' is of any importance, and how to go about manifesting one's will in the world. this last ought be the central focus of all magical disciplines and theoretics. in Crowley's texts above this does appear to be the case (esp. note the 'magical link'), and there are some who have attempted to build atop these monumental works whose text appears within the Hollyfeld Usenet Archives: ftp://ftp.hollyfeld.org/pub/Esoteric/Usenet/ or http://www.hollyfeld.org/Esoteric om mani padme hum tyagi -- see http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi/nagasiva.html and call: 408/2-666-SLUG!!! ---- (emailed replies may be posted) ---- CC public replies to author ---- * * * Asphalta Cementia Metallica Polymera Coyote La Cucaracha Humana * * *