Message-ID: <36812892.1BD31CCD@softhome.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:29:54 -0500 From: Ed Heil X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,alt.mythology To: Polar Bear Subject: Re: Telesmic Images (Gray) (was Re: Jesus as a Teles....) References: <74nih6$k4k$1@shell.accesscom.com> <74sauq$lm312@id4.nus.edu.sg> <3671E10E.29EA@luckymojo.com> <7522h1$hv7@id4.nus.edu.sg> <75oph2$lqd@bolt.sonic.net> <75pop3$gbf14@id4.nus.edu.sg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.228.80 X-Trace: 23 Dec 1998 00:32:33 -0600, 207.91.228.80 Lines: 82 Path: ultra.sonic.net!jupiter.dnai.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!news.new-york.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!netnews.com!news.dpnet.net!207.91.228.80 Xref: ultra.sonic.net alt.magick:130007 alt.magick.tyagi:15004 alt.pagan.magick:13051 alt.mythology:46686 The Greek word "telesma, telesmatos" meant "payment", and a related word, "telesmos" meant "consecration ceremony." It is where we got the word "talisman," by an interesting route: See this entry from www.m-w.com: Main Entry: tal·is·man Pronunciation: 'ta-l&s-m&n, -l&z- Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -mans Etymology: French talisman or Spanish talismán or Italian talismano; all from Arabic tilsam, from Middle Greek telesma, from Greek, consecration, from telein to initiate into the mysteries, complete, from telos end -- more at TELOS ~Date: 1638 1 : an object held to act as a charm to avert evil and bring good fortune 2 : something producing apparently magical or miraculous effects - tal·is·man·ic /"ta-l&s-'ma-nik, -l&z-/ adjective - tal·is·man·i·cal·ly /-ni-k(&-)lE/ adverb Another word, Polar Bear wrote: > > In alt.magick nagasiva wrote: > > : but you made no comment on whether what I remembered from Gray > : was accurate (I wasn't completely sure, and as it turned out he > : called them "telesmic" images -- I don't remember who it was that > : called them "telesmatic", if anyone). > > I didn't comment because I didn't see the need to. I figured > that anyone who reads enough Regardie, GD or Enochian texts > would be able to figure out what a telesmatic image in the context > of magical operations is. > > In any case when I found that the reply wasn't relevant to > my question, I basically ignored it and reasserted my question. > > : in any case, here is the pertinent text from Gray: > > : What exactly are the 'Telesmic Images' we read about > : in connection with magical arts and practices? A > : precise definition is not easy. It would be simple > : to say that a Telesmic Image is an imaginary creation > : having no existence apart from the consciousness of > : its creator -- a kind of Heavenly hallucination in > : fact -- but this would be very far indeed from the > : actual truth. > > Yes, Regardie puts it as "an identification with the > God-form itself", presumably to widen one's consciousness. > > : A so-called Telesmic Image (or TI for short) is a > : perfectly genuine Inner construction of Force and > : Form, designed for a particular purpose and having > : as much, if not more, reality in its own dimensions > : than we have in Outer terms. It is a composite > : creation, brought into being as a concretion of > : consciousness inspired by spirit, animated by soul, > : moulded by mind and based on body. A TI is in fact > : made up very much as we are ourselves, except that > : it objectifies on levels of existence that to us > : are subjective. Its main function is that of an > : operative focus between our Inner and Outer states > : of Being. > > Sounds different from a telesmatic image. Let me > look up Regardie's "Art and Meaning of Magic" before > I reply to the rest of this posting. > > God Bless, > Colin. > -- > Believers will be given the power to perform miracles: > They will drive out demons in my name; they will speak in strange tongues; > if they pick up snakes or drink any poison, they will not be harmed; > they will place their hands on sick people, and these will get well. > > -- Mark 16:17-18