Path: Supernews69!supernews.com!news.uoregon.edu!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!zdc!super.zippo.com!plnews!newsp.zippo.com!snews5 From: kingsword@greenheart.com (kingsword) Newsgroups: alt.magick Subject: Re: The Necronomicon Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 14:30:19 GMT Organization: None Lines: 44 Message-ID: <33bbb361.1364472@snews.zippo.com> References: <33985701.1F10@acad.nwmissouri.edu> <5neu4n$k53$1@shell5.ba.best.com> <5nk4v3$agk$1@shell5.ba.best.com> <5o73g6$39m@kudo20.kudonet.com> <33b9e722.2545160@snews.zippo.com> <5pfh7a$mec@kudo20.kudonet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 Xref: Supernews69 alt.magick:106644 On 2 Jul 1997 23:35:22 -0700, tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) wrote: >49970702 aa2 Hail Satan! > (much good Tibetan stuff deleted....BTW, the Phurba was Padma's tent peg which he used to ward off demons.) (Quotes Cavendish:) >"...the writers of old grimoires, or magical textbooks, which instruct the >reader in methods of calling up evil spirits, killing people, causing hatred, >and destruction or forcing women to submit to him in love, did not think of >themselves as black magicians. On the contrary, the grimoires are packed >with prayers to God and the angels, fastings and self-mortifications and >ostentatious piety. The principal process in the _Grimoire of Honorius_, >which is usually considered the most diabolical of them all, overflows >with impassioned and perfectly sincere appeals to God and devout sayings >of the Mass. It also involves tearing out the eyes of a black cock and >slaughtering a lamb, and its purpose is to summon up the Devil." p. 3. This is basically true with two very interesting exceptions: Dee and Kelley's Enochian and Picatrix. If you were to shuffle both of these together you might come up with something similar to HPL's Necronomicon idea Tyson's recent *Tetragrammaton* book is worth reading in this respect. I won't go so far as to say that one Enochian magician can "Open the Gates" and bring in "The Dragon"(Coronzon), but Tyson does have a point. There is a sinister side to Enochian which most of its practitioners won't own up to. Picatrix (which will be available in English soon) has more black magick than just about any other grimorie, but it is presented in the form of commentary, by pious Muslims and Christians, on what the Harranians supposedly did. . . . Now' if you really want to get to the nub of HPL, please find a story called *Through the Gates of the Silver Key* by HPL and E. Hoffman Price. This goes far beyond the Necronomicon -- which was never anything more than a goose-flesh producing device -- in its magical potential. Read it; meditate on it and let us ascend or descend to levels beyond "pulp fiction" (which I will admit I used to write). KingSword Path: Supernews69!supernews.com!news.dra.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!zdc!super.zippo.com!plnews!newsp.zippo.com!snews5 From: kingsword@greenheart.com (kingsword) Newsgroups: alt.magick Subject: Re: The Necronomicon Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 06:15:28 GMT Organization: None Lines: 20 Message-ID: <33bde514.482950@snews.zippo.com> References: <33985701.1F10@acad.nwmissouri.edu> <5neu4n$k53$1@shell5.ba.best.com> <5nk4v3$agk$1@shell5.ba.best.com> <5o73g6$39m@kudo20.kudonet.com> <33b9e722.2545160@snews.zippo.com> <5pfh7a$mec@kudo20.kudonet.com> <33bbb361.1364472@snews.zippo.com> <33BD7C1C.663E@enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 Xref: Supernews69 alt.magick:106696 On Fri, 04 Jul 1997 22:41:32 +0000, julianus@enteract.com wrote: >Any information on (Picatrix) when this will be available, what publisher, and >how much? > Sorry. You'll just have to wait until it is released. > >Has anybody noticed the parallels between "Through the Gates of the >Silver Key" and parts of Crowley's "Vision and the Voice?" What parts of V&V? The essential concept in Silver Key is the analogy of the universe as a cone and the intersection of canted planes cut through it. I don't recall anything in V&V resembling that idea, but it's been a while since I read it. What Ayre or Ayres? 93 93/93 K.S.