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From: jake <jake@kiblah.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: Pacts With the Devil??
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:49:03 +0000
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In article <3A8CC70E.7644DF6B@sympatico.ca>, richard sprigg
<kteis@sympatico.ca> writes

Dear Richard,

>There is at least one old grimoire (I misremember the title) 

that'd be the Grand Grimoire  - (okay, so I'm too familiar with Grimoire
stuff to be quite healthy!) but note Mr. Waite's opaque but revealing
comment: <the magician is expected to give himself, body and soul, to
the demon... and this creates a sharp distinction between the Grand
Grimoire... and the other liturgies of Black Magick. It is only a
palliation to say that the compact is worded as a subterfuge, and in
reality gives nothing to the demon, who here, as so frequently in
folklore, is bamboozled, receiving the shadow in place of the substance>

In other words, the GG is the only one to advocate such a pact, and even
that has no intention of delivering.

>that gives
>instructions to do an unrealestate transaction. 

while 'Notorious Honorious' advocates giving the seven demons of the
days of the week bits of toast, a hair from a fox, and other less than
celestial items. Not that some of his rites aren't grisly (and some of
the 'liturgy' rather stirring).

>As befits an incompetent magician unable to control things evoked, the
>operator has to deal with a flunky, Lucifuge Rofocale.
>
yes, IMO it's a bowdlerisation of the Grimoireum Verum - which is one of
the most interesting of the Goetic texts. 

Re actual soul selling, I'm not sure that's where Hyatt and Black are
going, my guess is it isn't. 

>I guess those who can, do; those who can't cut a deal.

oh, those who can cut deals too, but it's usually cigarettes and rum. ;)

ALways

JSK.

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