Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: nagasiva@luckymojo.com (ny'rl'thot'p) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.mythology,alt.necronomicon,alt.horror.cthulhu,sci.skeptic,alt.paranet.skeptic Subject: Re: The Book of Power: Evaluating the Necronomicon (was ...) Organization: Sonoma Interconnect,Santa Rosa,CA(us),http://www.sonic.net Lines: 90 Sender: yronwode@sonic.net Message-ID: <89mks2$ha0@bolt.sonic.net> References: <88bm0l$l7v$1@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca> <20000216173045.03883.00001570@ng-ce1.aol.com> <88gf57$fan@bolt.sonic.net> <88ioet$d5v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <88p6q3$i38@bolt.sonic.net> <89enj6$orb@bolt.sonic.net> <89fc7r$fv8@bolt.sonic.net> <38c2c677.15799764@news.ij.net> <38BBC6A6.EF51280E@yahoo.com> <38BE9E43.FD862EF6@magick.nu> Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.4 (NOV) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 21:01:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.224.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 952030896 208.201.224.36 (Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:01:36 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:01:36 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:21732 alt.mythology:57573 alt.necronomicon:10305 alt.horror.cthulhu:53741 sci.skeptic:397269 alt.paranet.skeptic:21045 MERKVRIVS : >Some observations I've had concerning the Necronomicon: >(Sorry if it seems a bit long.) this is unclear. your observations appear to be about *Simon's* Necronomicon. I'm going to archive your text with this in mind unless you state otherwise. thanks. >1. The mythos of the work is based in Sumerian Mythology (simple >enough) - however, it is a bastardization thereof (read the Enuma Elish >sometime and compare). and what SHOULD the Necronomicon contain, according to Lovecraft? should it be in Arabic? or some magical language known to the Mad Arab? if so, which? >3. Lovecraft admitted (in his letters that he was so fond of writting ) >that the creatures were from his imagination - more significantly to me >at least - his dreams and nightmares. This has always given rise to the >question (for me at least) whether there was some validity in >Lovecraft's mythos as _a_ (i.e. his) perception of the Qlippoth which >does not necessarily validate the book The Necronomicon. this is EXACTLY the kind of speculation (regarding to what nonphysical objects, structures, or entities Lovecraft's works may relate) that I find valuable to consider in evaluating the Necronomicon. >4. IMHO the spells appear relatively modern. They bare more semblance >to 19th/20th century Magick (esp. Crowleyan) than they do 12-17th >century works (except perhaps for the version attributed to Dee which I >found interesting in that there is little mention of such a work until >recent times - always seemed suspect given the attention acquired by his >other works) and bare no resemblance (beyond the names apparently >derived from the Enuma Elish) to ancient Sumerian rituals. so in a Necronomicon that Lovecraft described it would be at least 900 pages long or something that sort (Lovecraft gives page numbers in his citations, along with quotes, which would have to APPEAR on those pages), and what kind of religio-magical contents would you EXPECT otherwise? based on HPL's description, what resemblances to archaeological or anthropological data should there be? would we expect it to be related to R'lyehaen archaeogeometrics and/or pentacular shapes twisted into a style disturbing to the human mind? >6. I would like to see one valid reference (preferably not modern) to a >work outside the Necronomicon itself stating that it had been rumored >that so-and-so had such owned a work way back when. it is NOT historical, it derives from the dreams of a fiction writer, who, in particular, describes the magical potency of dreamworlds and dream data. >7. The Mad Arab story is fairly lame given that he all but writes his >own death scene. >& The stars grow dim in their places, and the Moon pales before me, >& as though a Veil were blown across its flame. Dog-faced demons >& approach the circumfrance of my sanctuary. Strange lines appear >& carved on my door and walls, and the light from the Window grows >& increasingly dim. >& A wind has risen. >& The Dark Waters stir. >& This is the Book of the Servant of the Gods.... > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > _Necronomicon_ (Avon Books), the Testimony of the Mad Arab, > the second part p. 218 > ____________________________________________________________ does this have ANY correlate to quotation from Lovecraft's work? the smallest possible construction of a Necronomicon would contain the quotes from Lovecraft's works on pages numbered appropriately, whether or not they pertained to a numerological sequence. the book would also conform to Lovecraft's general description also, and its content would resemble in character the historical influences that Lovecraft described in certainty. any ambiguity in HPL's data would allow some variation, and the rest would have to conform to the minimal standards constructed. at some point I'll begin a compilation of exactly what HPL DID say about the book, and possibly proceed to other "Cthulhu Mythos" authors who added to the corpus, unless someone else would like to do this work or knows where it is already accomplished and would like to refer me. thanks. n'yrl'thot'p -- mailto:nagasiva@luckymojo.com ; http://www.luckymojo.com/nagasiva.html mailto:boboroshi@satanservice.org ; http://www.satanservice.org/ emailed replies may be posted; cc replies if response desired