From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick Subject: Re: sign of the adept.... Date: 14 Sep 1997 11:44:49 -0700 Organization: Bay Junction Technology, Inc. Lines: 60 Sender: tyagi@news.bjt.net Message-ID: <5vhbb1$rkg@bay1.bjt.net> References: Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) NNTP-Posting-Host: bay1.bjt.net Path: bridge!not-for-mail Xref: bridge alt.magick:118404 alt.magick.tyagi:14927 alt.pagan.magick:6460 49970914 aa2 Hail Satan! (hmm, the same) Peggy (I know?) wrote: # Just what does mark an adept? consistent, reserved, success. there is no other mark for an adept of magick. there are other common qualities, but non-adepts may also have those. this success could appear in any number of endeavors. # ...they seem to be found amidst the common scuttle of humanity, # with no obvious markings. I have no idea of whom you may be speaking. surely some reside therein. but a great many are surfing the waves of expertise and specialization. # ...claims of attainment are self-invalidateing. you've claimed this with josh before. you've never given good reason to continue supposing it is true. logically it does not hold. it is like the Rosicrucian claim and is vacuous at base. # anyone who touts a high degree or initiation is likely not an adept # (but no reason to dismiss someone who has these things and is modest # about it). yes, you keep claiming it, but without adequate proof or explanation. # ...accept differences between oneself and other people, different # priorities, different destinies, different likes and dislikes etc... at base, yes, but adepts can be deceiving. you seem to think that all of them are going to be on the level with everyone they meet. I think not, and that your methods of screening will excise a goodly portion. # What else? I suggest that a great deal has to do with the perceiver themselves. if one has problems in certain areas the adept my manifest obstacles between themselves and the perceiver in alignment to these problems. say that I am prone to arrogance. the adept may manifest arrogance in my face, for example, and through my interaction with them I may come to work through these problems. in such a case an adept may well claim all manner of things which you say they will not. generally it is worthless to look for adepts unless one has a very good reason to do so. sight-seeing or magical mystery tours will inevitably turn up countless charlatans and provide the impression that this is all there is. tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) -- (emailed replies may be posted);join the AMT syncretism!!;call: 408/2-666-SLUG! see http://www.abyss.com/tokus; "Clement of Rome taught that God rules the world with a right and a left hand, the right being Christ, the left Satan." - CGJung