Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!cyclone.bc.net!torn!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3D68144B.5010005@address.com> From: Al Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020815 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.magick Subject: Re: Crowley invoking Choronzon References: <3D5EC965.6070501@address.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 74 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 23:20:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.177.79.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ns.sympatico.ca X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1030231205 142.177.79.235 (Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:20:05 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:20:05 ADT Organization: Sympatico-Subscriber Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:314743 > Al Smith wrote in message news:<3D5EC965.6070501@address.com>... > >> >> Poor Choronzon gets no respect. Crowley's impression of this >> Enochian angel was completely subjective, yet it is Crowley's >> characterization alone that serves as the basis for the modern >> view of Choronzon in the esoteric community. > > > Crowley just stole the name. Which is fine, really. > > [Or it's more accurate to say Crowley's Chronozon (or > Crowley-Chronozon is even more accurate) liked the name and took it.] > > Everyone's Chronozon is personal and subjective. > > My personal Chronozon likes to be called 'Arusubal', from the villian > in _Night Lamp_. > > But really, his name is my name too. > > -Pilgrim ---------------------------- The name Choronzon is solely based on the spirit communications of the Enochian angels to John Dee and Edward Kelly. It occurs in the portion of the Enochian record that was published by Meric Casaubon under the title A TRUE AND FAITHFUL RELATION OF WHAT PASSED FOR MANY YEARS BETWEEN DR. JOHN DEE ... AND SOME SPIRITS. I'll quote the passage for general interest, since so few people seem to be aware of it. It's located on page 92 of A TRUE AND FAITHFUL RELATION: "Man in his Creation, being made an Innocent, was also authorised and made partaker of the Power and Spirit of God: whereby he not onely did know all things under his Creation and spoke to them properly, naming them as they were: but also was partaker of our [the Enochian angels] presence and society, yea a speaker of the mysteries of God; yea, with God himself: so that in innocency the power of his partakers with God, and us his good Angles, was exalted, and so became holy in the sight of God until that Coronzon (for so is the true name of that mighty Devil) envying his felicity, and perceiving that the substance of his lesser part was frail and unperfect in respect of his pure Esse, began to assail him, and so prevailed: that offending so became accursed in the sight of God; and so lost the Garden of felicity, the judgement of his understanding ..." As you can see, Choronzon, or more properly Coronzon, is the same as the Serpent who tempted Eve to eat of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Evil, thus provoking the Fall of Man. Coronzon is the proper name for this angel, but he is also referred to under the title Telocvovim in the Call of the Thirty Aethyrs. Telocvovim was translated by the Enochian angels as Him That Is Fallen, but in fact it literally means Death Dragon. There is another reference to the Death Dragon in the Keys. In the Eighth Call, he is referred to as the Stooping Dragon (abai-vovin). This title refers to the fall of Lucifer from heaven into the bottomless Pit. He is supposed to have fallen like a thunderbolt. The term "stoop" refers to the hunting practices of the hawk, which stoops upon its prey -- that is, falls like a thunderbolt with its wings folded in from a great height and strikes the hapless bird it is hunting with its talons. There is really no distinction in the Enochian transcripts between Lucifer and Choronzon. The qualities by which Choronzon is understood in modern magic are based on Crowley's personal impressions of what he believed to be this fallen angel.